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Reply #50 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm
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SirValentine wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Clerics need Domains, and better ED options.  I doubt we'll see Domains any time soon, though.  They're claiming to be working the ED angle for a patch; we'll see how that pans out.


Given the majority of that thread contains commentary by people who do not actually play Clerics, I have little to no hope.

I've actually unsubbed by this time.  6 years is a long fucking time to wait around for some dev to be bothered making a half hearted attempt at making divine classes what they should be.

Be happy to come back once they get their heads out of their asses.  Until then it's Skyrim until ESO launches here.

Been saying for years that Divine classes are not support only.  If I want to play a cleric the way it's fucking intended I'll stick to a PnP group.
  
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Reply #51 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 3:54pm
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SirValentine wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Clerics need Domains, and better ED options.  I doubt we'll see Domains any time soon, though.  They're claiming to be working the ED angle for a patch; we'll see how that pans out.

when enhancements were first previewed on ML cleric domains were going to each have their own tree, I think once they realized how much work that would be it got scrapped.
  
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Reply #52 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 4:15pm
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Reply #53 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 4:24pm
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Madcow430 wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 4:15pm:


What exactly about that post is ungetted?  The proposed changes to EA look really powerful, perhaps even overpowered, and clearly even better than magister or draconic. 

Spell penetration and DC boosts - I assume that this is what divine people wanted. 

Shadows Upon You - depending on spell cost and cooldown, this could be insanely powerful.  +6 to +16 to DCs is way better than anything magister gets.  If it works on bosses, that is a massive increase in DPS. 

Divine wrath not requiring ardor stacks - I assume clerics wanted this change.  Also it'll probably be easier to use, since it'll now show the cooldown.  Sun bolt SLA on top of that is awesome. 

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Reply #54 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 10:34pm
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Madcow430 wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Given the majority of that thread contains commentary by people who do not actually play Clerics, I have little to no hope.

No shit.
But since there are like 10 clerics/fvs on a server lol, not actually surprising.

Oh they went with the Renewal move, that will surely help "tanking" paladin ( haha ) in Sentinel.

How more fucking stupid they can be.
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Reply #55 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 10:39pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
Shadows Upon You - depending on spell cost and cooldown, this could be insanely powerful.  +6 to +16 to DCs is way better than anything magister gets.  If it works on bosses, that is a massive increase in DPS. 


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Reply #56 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:15pm
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The problem is the general concept of clerics. Clerics = healbots. Basically player-controlled hireling healers.

But I believe it's more of *how* clerics are played. Most think that it's enough for the clerics to stand aside and hjeal. Heal the insane charge-into-traps monk/barbarian. Hjeal from across the map. Hjeal through walls.

Best way to play cleric is to sprint past the entire party and kill everything in the dungeon. Tell the rest of the party to break boxes.
  

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Reply #57 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:33pm
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:15pm:
Best way to play cleric is to sprint past the entire party and kill everything in the dungeon. Tell the rest of the party to break boxes.


FvS already does what Cleric does and with Style!
  

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Reply #58 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:38pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:33pm:
FvS already does what Cleric does and with Style!


True. Wings do help a lot.

But I think it looks cool when the party/raid I'm in completes with me having around 80% of the kills. I feel like going /flex and typing in partychat "not a hjealer - I'm an offensive divine caster."
  

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Reply #59 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:51pm
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:38pm:
But I think it looks cool when the party/raid I'm in completes with me having around 80% of the kills. I feel like going /flex and typing in partychat "not a hjealer - I'm an offensive divine caster."


Yes, making a strong char out of an inherently weaker class is truly commendable.

  

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Reply #60 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:54pm
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Clerics aren't weak... they're just misunderstood.

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Reply #61 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 12:15am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:54pm:
Racist.


No.

NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:54pm:
Classist.


Yes.
  

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Reply #62 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:18am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:54pm:
Clerics aren't weak... they're just misunderstood.

Racist.


I thought clerics were there to carry soul stones?
  
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Reply #63 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 3:37am
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 11:15pm:
Best way to play cleric is to sprint past the entire party and kill everything in the dungeon. Tell the rest of the party to break boxes.


Smiley this. love it.

I can't stand healbots. Honestly. If someone joins my lfm and does nothing but stands around and heals, I get irritated. I don't consider it useful at all. Ppl need to learn to carry their own heals. And why do I say this? Because I played the healbot. It's a huge pain in my ass, because ppl do not understand how healing works. They assume u can teleport like hirelings and heal through walls, etc. I've had barbarians zerg around from one part of the dungeon to the other, yelling at me because I'm not healing him. ffs. Heal yourself.
  
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Reply #64 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 3:38am
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Rasczak wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:18am:
I thought clerics were there to carry soul stones?


That's my bard.
  
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Reply #65 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 4:26am
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I don't think preaching " get your own hjeals " like every shitty newb bio is the way to go now.
Back when you could implode all Fens, yes, you could play a demigod/dess, no need for "puny melees that can't get their hjeals".

My cleric shits on most fvs, palemasters and melees DC wise or kill count wise but I better hjeal some to justify bringing the toon instead of ranger or monkcher or Cetus.

Heroics gives you wrong impression but have no illusion in EE against 300k bosses, you IN FACT do no fucking dps at all spamming SLAs in Shiradi or DPing.

Got godly DCs, killing "power per shrine" ? Then go ahead without ONE Renewal on anybody but if you don't do shit and feel like Cleric icon gives you some superpowers, drop the primadonna nonsense.
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Reply #66 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 4:39am
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Wipe wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 4:26am:
My cleric shits on most fvs, palemasters and melees DC wise or kill count wise but I better hjeal some to justify bringing the toon instead of ranger or monkcher or Cetus.

Heroics gives you wrong impression but have no illusion in EE against 300k bosses, you IN FACT do no fucking dps at all spamming SLAs in Shiradi or DPing.


I'm not saying that divine shouldn't heal at all. If you can heal (on any toon that isn't meleing a boss), I think you should try and keep your party members from dying. It's not too hard for a dp'ing divine to switch target and throw a mass cure/ heal between cool downs. But, if the melee dies in 1-2 hits from that 300k boss, he shouldn't be meleing it in the 1st place.

Also, if you're running ee's and you need a healer tied to your ass to be able to dps, reroll.
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Reply #67 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 12:37pm
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Oh yeah, just saying that be careful pulling the "I am a caster sent to Earth from baby Jesus, I don't need you silly melees to do this" card these days.

Too many are still one their high horses, how many " I am a battle cleric" , "scrolls are not cheap", " don't like the way I hjeal ? fuck you", are there ?
Then when they face 2 or 3 trash mobs, suddenly they cry for help™.
Primadonnas living in the past.

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Reply #68 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm
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Wipe wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 12:37pm:
Oh yeah, just saying that be careful pulling the "I am a caster sent to Earth from baby Jesus, I don't need you silly melees to do this" card these days.


So, what you are saying is that you have no fucking clue as to how a divine caster should be played. Really, no one should be surprised.

In this game, melee toons are played by unskilled hacks who probably spend their days asking "You want fries with that?" They are the absolute bottom of the heap, and should be treated as such. That applies to their toons as well.

If your divine caster can't solo all non-raid content on EE, it is time to reroll into something more suited to your limited skill level.

By the way, baby Jesus calls my 17/2/1 cleric/FvS/wizard "daddy". Smiley
  

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Reply #69 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:37am
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You're just funny, it's... funny, the way you tell the story and everything.

Hehehe, reroll into what ? Some dumb ass Shiradi ? Ten year old can play that.
Your anti melee hysterics were fun on motherforums 2 years ago, I'll give you that.
  
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Reply #70 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 5:32am
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Wipe wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 12:37pm:
Oh yeah, just saying that be careful pulling the "I am a caster sent to Earth from baby Jesus, I don't need you silly melees to do this" card these days.

Too many are still one their high horses, how many " I am a battle cleric" , "scrolls are not cheap", " don't like the way I hjeal ? fuck you", are there ?
Then when they face 2 or 3 trash mobs, suddenly they cry for help™.
Primadonnas living in the past.

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What happens when the melee is not worth the effort of healing? You know the type the ones you spam heals at and they still find a way to die and take forever to kill a mob, those ones I just cut my loses and resign myself to carrying their soul stone between shrines.
  
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Reply #71 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 6:53pm
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What I find sad about the whole thing is the one thing I decided to cap is a FVS. And it is the toon I am least comfy pugging with random humans Sad
  
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Reply #72 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 7:03pm
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Terebinthia wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 6:53pm:
What I find sad about the whole thing is the one thing I decided to cap is a FVS. And it is the toon I am least comfy pugging with random humans Sad



Only humans?

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Reply #73 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 1:03am
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GermanicusMaximus wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
So, what you are saying is that you have no fucking clue as to how a divine caster should be played. Really, no one should be surprised.

In this game, melee toons are played by unskilled hacks who probably spend their days asking "You want fries with that?" They are the absolute bottom of the heap, and should be treated as such. That applies to their toons as well.

If your divine caster can't solo all non-raid content on EE, it is time to reroll into something more suited to your limited skill level.

By the way, baby Jesus calls my 17/2/1 cleric/FvS/wizard "daddy". Smiley

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Reply #74 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 1:14am
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I like fries.

Hm... I wonder what are the odds that the theory where melee toons = bottom of the player pile skills-wise is? I mean... Stoddard is a sorc.
  

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