EE is rough.

Does anyone know how the trash spawns work in particular?

-Do they every stop?
-What triggers them? (time, dragon HP, killing trash, etc..)
-Other tips for EE?
- Anyone know what the reflex req is for EE on the fireballs?

it wont be so hard when everyone has full loot from all the new content

The problem with ein is keeping them alive between uses but yes 3 i would think would go along way on the trash.

Shuy wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 2:02pm:


not just EiN users... but users who have a 50+ Ein, its very helpful to obliterate a full wave at a time.

Also, kiting the dragon who has adrenaline is key, if you dint already know that. typically fight one at east, one at west (or was it north and south.. ~shrug~), have 2 "tanks" with 2 devoted healers, one on each.

Full group break down for EE should look something like this

Healer 1
Healer 2
Tank 1
Tank 2
Druid/CC 1
CC 2
Melee 1
Melee 2
Melee 3
Melee 4
Melee/Ein 1
Melee Ein 2

Heal 1 and tank 1 on dragon 1, Heal 2/Tank 2 on dragon 2. Melee 1-4 bouncing back and forthe between each dragon, as the adrenaline ebbs and flows from the opposite dragon. the CC/Druid 1 and 2 along with Melee/Ein 1 adn 2 on trash duty, alternating Eins every 3 mins or so. whatever the cooldown is on it now.. THis method has worked for EH

If its 5 mins, EIn 1 at 10:00, ein 2 at 8:30, Ein 3 at 5:00.. so there is always an ein going off, every few minutes.

Meat-Head wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:



I try to post only working methods.. this weekend i have done 7 runs, with my above mentioned method on EH, im not sure if it will function on EE, as the lag from red alert sux massivly..

Vendui wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Depends, I've gotten my EiN to 64 before buffed. I dont know how well it would work on the mobs in there as their cr is higher than stormhorns where it worked about 80%. im sure it targets the lowest save because my qp of 79 missed more than EiN whiffed.

Drifting lotus is really good too, reflex saves same dc as your EiN if in 60s puts anything on its ass all content.

Rubbinns wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:



My EiN is 64ish as well. On EE it works fairly well. I know it worked on Skellies, dogs, and salamanders.

Meat-Head wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Nice to know,It's why I assumed EiN uses lowest save - will or fort- on mobs, since it can sweep rooms on low to mid 60s dc.


I tr'd out of The Fist of the North Star build since they butsexed combat mastery to not stack with qp.

Vendui wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:


It's single target, unfortunately. I'm counting on eq + mantle of the icy soul save debuff + sleet storm + twisting in the 15% chance of -10 saves. Maybe get a friendly bard/wiz to cast crushing despair.

rest wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:



In our runs, we had two druids with 54ish DC. It was working nicely with the debuffs you mention. This did NOT include crushing despair. I don't think we had that.

One more tip to peopel out there: Bring plenty of res scrolls/clickies on EE.

Druid casters are useful again? Too bad I TR'ed lol. I was hitting a 74 EQ dc (still missing some things) with magister -10 twist. Nice part is that it procs on every tic of ice storm and earthquake, so it happens fairly quickly. I think the icing on the cake is that you can also rock a sexy ein with a druid too 

I'm guessing with the new stuff you could easily hit 80 now....

Terebinthia wrote on Mar 17^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

EQ is probably the best cc spell in the game.Targets reflex saves, which is generally weakest in game on mobs. And it has no SR. Straight up save or sit down.

Shat wrote on Mar 18^th, 2014 at 6:05am:



Healer's soulstone?
You brought Thazara?!