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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	PC is not a Fight Club Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Have fun trolling us : https://www.ddo.com/en/news/2014-ddo-players-council-update-1

	Yes my avatar is an Hermine eating a Greenland Lemming for brunch.
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Black Eyes Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1 Joined: Jun 11^th, 2013	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #1 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:42pm	Print Post
	need... more... popcorn!

	#cranelives #dropbearsafag #flavssucksdropbearsass
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Newbin3:16 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 75 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #2 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	I would but that update is way too long to read while I'm supposed to be working


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #3 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	Popcorn can be found here : https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/439351-2014-DDO-Players-Council-Update...

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #4 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:38pm: Have fun trolling us : https://www.ddo.com/en/news/2014-ddo-players-council-update-1 Turbine's cheerleading themselves again. Turbine: Yay us!!!!

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Durk The Deranged Offline I've got a secret! Posts: 705 Location: The Harbor Joined: May 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #5 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Flav! OMG, you made it into an official Turbine publication in a positive way! How does that make you feel?


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #6 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	Bunch of bloody cynics I do think it's a better direction than Mournlands - stupid ideas stand a stronger chance of being squashed if they haven't made it to near production and it is good they are genuinely appearing to be using you as a sounding board. Time will tell, of course, but it does seem a more sensible approach. The dev team is such a small team that if time's been spent on coding it you do risk a severe amount of "it's my baby"itis if you do it the other way.


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Barcode Korthos Resident Offline File Not Found! WTF Posts: 45 Location: Darkest part of your mind. Joined: Mar 24^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #7 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	And how much of that feedback and fanboy shit will every make it to live. Only the crybaby put in a easy button crap is my guess. If they want real feedback they need to NOT babysit there forums and open there eyes. Put in some easter eggs up up down down left right left right b a b start


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #8 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	I posted my feelings about your update on twitter.


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arko Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 101 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #9 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	how is it not a fight club, what exactly did we learn form that post other than how PC members felt about being on the council, everything was either publicly released already or referred to as the thing we discussed that we can't talk about. It's really not any different than ML except you might be seeing stuff earlier(which on occasion we did as well).


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #10 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	Lol, not a fight club. The only thing this update is good for is pr spin.

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Durk The Deranged Offline I've got a secret! Posts: 705 Location: The Harbor Joined: May 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #11 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	arko wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:08pm: how is it not a fight club, what exactly did we learn form that post other than how PC members felt about being on the council, everything was either publicly released already or referred to as the thing we discussed that we can't talk about. It's really not any different than ML except you might be seeing� stuff earlier(which on occasion we did as well). I am not sure if it is because the PC is new and fresh, or ran by Community instead of QA but it does feel different. PC seems to be far more open to early communication about ideas, and possible changes then ML ever was.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #12 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:14pm	Print Post
	Anyone else get the feeling that Fran exclamationmark got kicked out because he couldn't exclamationmark write a response exclamationmark!one
	« Last Edit: Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:15pm by Munkenmo »
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arko Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 101 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #13 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:15pm	Print Post
	Durk wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:13pm: I am not sure if it is because the PC is new and fresh, or ran by Community instead of QA but it does feel different.� PC seems to be far more open to early communication about ideas, and possible changes then ML ever was. What exactly have we learned from the PC not already released by Turbine? Telling us they are talking about stuff isn't communication, because I would be disappointed if they weren't talking about things that are coming down the pipe.


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Black Eyes Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1 Joined: Jun 11^th, 2013	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #14 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:17pm	Print Post
	munches popcorn watching thread unfold.... still they NEED to finish the guild system...

	#cranelives #dropbearsafag #flavssucksdropbearsass
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Durk The Deranged Offline I've got a secret! Posts: 705 Location: The Harbor Joined: May 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #15 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	arko wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:15pm: What exactly have we learned from the PC not already released by Turbine? Telling us they are talking about stuff isn't communication, because I would be disappointed if they weren't talking about things that are coming down the pipe. I was comparing the operation of the program to Mournlands as were you. The contents and discussion in Mournlands was never made public either. What I can say is the proposed ideas and flow of communication inside of the PC is far different then what I experienced in ML. Again, it may only be because the program is "new and fresh", but we are seeing content ahead of time, and the feedback from members is being listened to, and more importantly responded to.


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arko Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 101 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #16 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	Durk wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:56pm: I was comparing the operation of the program to Mournlands as were you.� The contents and discussion in Mournlands was never made public either. What I can say is the proposed ideas and flow of communication inside of the PC is far different then what I experienced in ML.� Again, it may only be because the program is "new and fresh", but we are seeing content ahead of time, and the feedback from members is being listened to, and more importantly responded to. What happens inside the PC is not what I am talking about, it 's the claim of transparency which is in reality an illusion. I would also say thhta the last year of ML we saw stuff in various stages of completion and were on occasion asked to comment on things not yet programmed, and yes you could easily say we had much more effect on something the earlier it was seen. this was entirely dependent on what dev we were dealing with. I would say many of the devs who liked to operate in a vacuum are no longer working on DDO, which in general has made the devs more open about future stuff
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Meli Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 397 Joined: Jan 30^th, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #17 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Durk wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:56pm: I was comparing the operation of the program to Mournlands as were you.� The contents and discussion in Mournlands was never made public either. What I can say is the proposed ideas and flow of communication inside of the PC is far different then what I experienced in ML.� Again, it may only be because the program is "new and fresh", but we are seeing content ahead of time, and the feedback from members is being listened to, and more importantly responded to. You're forgetting the other half of this - a lot of what was done in ML has been devolved to Lammania over the last year. And there has been fantastic feedback and actual response from devs over there. Hoping that continues and it's not just a starting off well thing. Hilarious the stuff that Coldin typed that got out. I seriously thought that would be deleted but no. I basically used my response as a shout out to friends edit: grammering myself... oops.
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arko Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 101 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #18 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Meli wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:01pm: You're forgetting the other half of this - a lot of what was done in ML has been devolved to Lammania over the last year. And there has been fantastic feedback and actual response from devs over there. Hoping that continues and it's not just a starting off well thing. Hilarious the stuff that Coldin typed that got out. I seriously thought that would be deleted but no. I basically used my response as a shout out to friends edit: grammering myself... oops. Agreed I think dev communication has improved in leaps and bounds over the last year, and I hope that continues. I just think its foolish For Cordovan to say the PC will be transparent when by its very nature it is a closed focus group. Unless they make discussions public after the topic is no longer secret, then the most we will ever see from PC to player communications is the vague we are talking about stuff post that Cordovan put out today.


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #19 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	arko wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:00pm: What happens inside the PC is not what I am talking about, it 's the claim of transparency which is in reality an illusion. I would also say thhta the last year of ML we saw stuff in various stages of completion and were on occasion asked to comment on things not yet programmed, and yes you could easily say we had much more effect on something the earlier it was seen. this was entirely dependent on what dev we were dealing with. I would say many of the devs who liked to operate in a vacuum are no longer working on DDO, which in general has made the devs more open about future stuff Well, that sounds like it's headed in the right direction. doesn't it? (I do have some experience but not in this industry - done a lot of BA / UAT for financial services and also worked for a very tiny and opinionated dot com. And I know once someone has made their thing their baby there can be no stopping them. More floating ideas before someone starts coding can only be good in my book)


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Red Sox H8 Yankees Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 708 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #20 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	Turbine should stop wasting effort with the bull shit PC and the self sucking and get back to coding. How about fixing something for a change?

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #21 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	Good to see Muggins Mai is still as retarded as her introduction post showed her to be.


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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #22 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	Durk wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 4:56pm: I was comparing the operation of the program to Mournlands as were you.� The contents and discussion in Mournlands was never made public either. What I can say is the proposed ideas and flow of communication inside of the PC is far different then what I experienced in ML.� Again, it may only be because the program is "new and fresh", but we are seeing content ahead of time, and the feedback from members is being listened to, and more importantly responded to. Fresh and new is probably right. Lets see what happens when they get close to release time for a major update and they are behind schedule. Im sure they will provide less and less info to the PC and rush through their own ideas. Only for it to hit Lamania and see the nerd rage.


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Meli Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 397 Joined: Jan 30^th, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #23 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Good to see Muggins Mai is still as retarded as her introduction post showed her to be. I actually thought her post was hilarious. Everyone else was like SO SRS and then she comes in with that. Gave me the biggest laugh of my day.


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Meli Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 397 Joined: Jan 30^th, 2014	Re: PC is not a Fight Club Reply #24 - Mar 25^th, 2014 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	HairyO wrote on Mar 25^th, 2014 at 6:07pm: Fresh and new is probably right. Lets see what happens when they get close to release time for a major update and they are behind schedule. Im sure they will provide less and less info to the PC and rush through their own ideas. Only for it to hit Lamania and see the nerd rage. I think you guys think it's: devs -> PC -> Lamm -> live I don't think for all topics that is necessarily true. I suspect it's more like a mixture of the following depending on the topic. 1. devs -> Lamm -> live 2. devs -> PC -> devs think about it. 3. devs -> live 4. devs -> PC -> Lamm -> live 5. devs -> PC and devs -> Lamm at the same time with slightly different focus. It's not that linear.


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