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Reply #75 - May 1st, 2014 at 8:30pm
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GooFY wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 3:16pm:
Yeah, I guess it depends what's important to the individual.  Shinies I can play without, but without hearts I get stuck (at cap), and there's a good chance I'll just stop playing if I have to grind for them.

Remember back when they briefly had "Tokens of Leveling" (or whatever they were called)?  You had to find or buy one about every 4 or 5 levels before you could actually take your level, i.e. worst frigging idea ever?  Such a terrible idea that it drove new players away in droves and they eventually took them out of the game?  Well I don't see hearts any differently than those tokens.  At this point they are just an impediment put in our way so Turbine has an opportunity to sell us a way to bypass them.

When I reach 28, if my idea of 'continuing to play' is TR'ing, then I should be able to do that, period.  No fucking way am I going to sit at 28 running quests just for CoV's so I can TR.  So far I've gotten by because of the one "free" epic heart we got.  But if I hit 28 this life and still don't have the CoV's for a heart, that will probably be the final straw for me.  And the life after that, almost guaranteed I won't have the CoV's, so the clock is already kinda ticking for me.


when did they have those tokens of leveling? 2006-7?
  
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Reply #76 - May 1st, 2014 at 9:18pm
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NaturalHazard wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 8:30pm:
when did they have those tokens of leveling? 2006-7?

Sigils of leveling. I think they came out with F2P in Sept 2009, and it looks like they were dropped in Feb 2010.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_3#No_Level_Sigils_Required
  

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I remember those. I got my one to go from level 4 to level 5 but couldn't find one to go past level 8 and stopped playing that character.
  
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Reply #78 - May 1st, 2014 at 11:37pm
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Kimberlite wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Sigils of leveling. I think they came out with F2P in Sept 2009, and it looks like they were dropped in Feb 2010.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_3#No_Level_Sigils_Required


yep, i remember those, thank god they got rid of those
  
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Re: Apparently the Council is useless as I(we) thought
Reply #79 - May 2nd, 2014 at 4:45am
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rest wrote on Apr 30th, 2014 at 10:54am:
They give barely any fucks about what the council says but they give even LESS fucks about what people on Lamannia say, So there's that.


They do give a few. I'm not saying you'll get exactly what you ask for because you won't and you'll get angry and annoyed you were "ignored" if you expect that, but if you look at what something could have been as opposed to how it changed with enough feedback that didn't involve /signed or just saying it's crap, you would see how it does matter.

This tree has changed but SWF can't be saved without certain lines needing to be crossed. The tree is doomed from the start but that's just this tree. There is tons of stuff that with enough feedback will change to something better, even if it's still not "good enough". I have seen it myself and some things you would poo your pants if you saw how it started out.

Obviously if people aren't playing the game then their bitterness is different but I am still playing and I don't have the issues with the Company others do. I've never bothered being a problem child because I'm here for fun and so when it stops being fun I'll leave. I don't feel the need to have a go at them at every opportunity because it's just silly but I do enjoy seeing others do it because that's entertaining in itself. However, they do listen because some of those devs really are trying to make the game better. Having issues with the company or one person or not enjoying how management handles things is acceptable, but some of those guys need the facts to pitch a case on our behalf, and they do.
  
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Reply #80 - May 2nd, 2014 at 8:15am
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Rasczak wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 4:45am:
However, they do listen because some of those devs really are trying to make the game better. Having issues with the company or one person or not enjoying how management handles things is acceptable, but some of those guys need the facts to pitch a case on our behalf, and they do.

It is especially frustrating when those "facts" they need are math facts that they can calculate more easily and more accurately, on account of having access to the information that we only know because of some heroes who reverse engineer them from the combat log.
  

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Re: Apparently the Council is useless as I(we) thought
Reply #81 - May 2nd, 2014 at 9:31am
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Quak wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 5:31am:
believing that all of its Epic loot will be btcoe..


No, Every signal we have seen points towards BTA. But don't take that as granted... I've been out for 3 days ( collecting fossils of sea shells at the bottom of a cliff by the sea ), I haven't checked the latest developments of the PC forum.

  

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Reply #82 - May 2nd, 2014 at 12:48pm
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Flav wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:31am:
3 days ( collecting fossils of sea shells at the bottom of a cliff by the sea )

Sounds like a WoW thing.
  

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Re: Apparently the Council is useless as I(we) thought
Reply #83 - May 2nd, 2014 at 1:52pm
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Rasczak wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 4:45am:
They do give a few. I'm not saying you'll get exactly what you ask for because you won't and you'll get angry and annoyed you were "ignored" if you expect that, but if you look at what something could have been as opposed to how it changed with enough feedback that didn't involve /signed or just saying it's crap, you would see how it does matter.

This tree has changed but SWF can't be saved without certain lines needing to be crossed. The tree is doomed from the start but that's just this tree. There is tons of stuff that with enough feedback will change to something better, even if it's still not "good enough". I have seen it myself and some things you would poo your pants if you saw how it started out.

Obviously if people aren't playing the game then their bitterness is different but I am still playing and I don't have the issues with the Company others do. I've never bothered being a problem child because I'm here for fun and so when it stops being fun I'll leave. I don't feel the need to have a go at them at every opportunity because it's just silly but I do enjoy seeing others do it because that's entertaining in itself. However, they do listen because some of those devs really are trying to make the game better. Having issues with the company or one person or not enjoying how management handles things is acceptable, but some of those guys need the facts to pitch a case on our behalf, and they do.


When the point being ignored is a bug that allows mass duping ... than yes if your report was ignored you have every right to be angry at the risk they let through to the game you enjoy.

Also ... why should agreement posts be ignored? If many people agree with a post or /sign it that should add weight to it. I do agree on 'that's crap' posts being ignored seeing as without reasons it can't be improved. Saying /signed IS feedback.


Doesn't really matter what the devs want if the community manager is blocking pertinent opinions and facts with bans. Not even talking about myself or signature images ... and if I wasn't so bitter about the BS that all entails I might play more.
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Re: Apparently the Council is useless as I(we) thought
Reply #84 - May 2nd, 2014 at 2:12pm
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Rasczak wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 4:45am:
There is tons of stuff that with enough feedback will change to something better, even if it's still not "good enough". I have seen it myself and some things you would poo your pants if you saw how it started out.


One of the frustrating things for me is that we have to go through the "with enough feedback, they'll un-ass their pet project to the point where it'll be less bad then their original implementation, but leave it still pretty crummy" step.

It's wasteful and unnecessarily tarnishes the game.
  

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they will probably congratulate themselves on how long they "kept it going" never able to see that it could have easily managed to keep itself going for far longer if they had just meddled far less drastically and with some semblance of an actual gameplan.
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Hearing something has "merit" but we don't have "time" kind of says everything about how Turbine works on things.
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everyone but turbine knows that we are sad they are destroying our game
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I don't make the game, I just get tested what they build. Sorry you are not happy.
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DDO is easy to summarize - the greatest game to suck the most ass.
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Turbine - So incompetent that we are skeptical when they report their own incompetence.  
Meursault wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
Other companies will settle for shitting out garbage, Turdbin actually prefers to. Especially if they can get us to buy it, that just cracks them up.
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Breaking something and putting it back together isn't as good as not breaking it to begin with, it's not even close.
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Devs do not care what players want - they already have an agenda and give out token gestures so the paladins can feel worthy.
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Re: Apparently the Council is useless as I(we) thought
Reply #85 - May 2nd, 2014 at 4:31pm
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Kimberlite wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Sigils of leveling. I think they came out with F2P in Sept 2009, and it looks like they were dropped in Feb 2010.


Yup, sounds about right.  Thanks.

Meli wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 10:19pm:
I remember those. I got my one to go from level 4 to level 5 but couldn't find one to go past level 8 and stopped playing that character.


You were not alone in that.

GamerGirl wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 11:37pm:
yep, i remember those, thank god they got rid of those


They were idiots to put them in, and "smart" to take them out.

My point is that I don't see hearts as any different from the sigils - they just get in the way of me progressing my character (i.e. letting me play the game).  They serve no purpose other than as a revenue generator for Turbine.  I don't mind giving Turbine money for any number of things, but not to just get some roadblock out of my way, that they put there in the first place, just for that purpose.

I can easily imagine folks getting to 28, raiding a bit, and then just saying "OK, great, I guess I'm done.  Bye!"  I may end up being one of those people sooner or later.  I'm pretty stubborn about not paying for things that I don't think I should have to pay for. And yeah, that will be my choice, so it's on me.  But that's still one less player in DDO, and I bet I'm not the only stubborn one out there.
  
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Flav wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:31am:
I've been out for 3 days ( collecting fossils of sea shells at the bottom of a cliff by the sea )


Are those fossils of sea shell drop rates better or worse than the Abbot's Ring?
  

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mouthfull of samples wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 3:19pm:
I don't mind the idea of cov's but they need to lower the amount needed to epic tr by about half.

I very much mind it. Not only does it lock players out of epic Tring, and that it doesn't resemble how easy it was to get Tokens for Heroic TRing. The other reason is that they replaced end rewards with their bottleneck, instead of making them drop in end chests. Exactly like Tokens.

Also, dupes come and go, and stay, and some even undiscovered and unknown. 2016 heart seeds covers every Iconic and Epic life.
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Re: Apparently the Council is useless as I(we) thought
Reply #88 - May 3rd, 2014 at 2:33am
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Ah Pook wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 12:48pm:
Sounds like a WoW thing.



Nope the real thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1776_in_paleontology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houlgate

Jump to the Falaise des Vaches Noires section.

And at the end of the month, I'll go get some Uranium ore... Somewhere far from the sea called Villefranche.  Roll Eyes

Barkabout wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 4:48pm:
re those fossils of sea shell drop rates better or worse than the Abbot's Ring?


Depends... There's the common drops ( oysters, and various sea shells, some ammonites ), the uncommon drops ( other kind of ammonites, coral, crinoïdes ), and the rare drops ( bones )...
Since climbing on the cliffs is extremely dangerous ( after all it's mud cliffs ) you have to roam the beach at the bottom and look for things that fell... and you're not alone doing that... There's many people farming the drops...  Grin
But there's more than enough of the common and uncommon drops to please everybody... the rare ones are just icing on the cake.
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Reply #89 - May 3rd, 2014 at 11:50am
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GooFY wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 4:31pm:
I'm pretty stubborn about not paying for things that I don't think I should have to pay for. And yeah, that will be my choice, so it's on me.  But that's still one less player in DDO, and I bet I'm not the only stubborn one out there.


Nope, me too! That stubborn used to benefit Turdbin, I'd buy TP every year even if I wasn't low (and I have thousands).

Now it works against Turdbin, I'm angry about the gratuitous grind and low quality, and it's a point of stubborn to not give them more money until they demonstrate a significant and sustained change of heart.

I rarely play DDO now, and happily lead my guild in other games, denying Turdbin not just my money but that of my friends as well. OK, well, mostly they wanted to move games and I followed and re-formed the guild, but the point is these decisions are steadily culling their flock of golden geese Angry
  

Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Flav wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 2:33am:
Jump to the Falaise des Vaches Noires section.

And at the end of the month, I'll go get some Uranium ore... Somewhere far from the sea called Villefranche.  Roll Eyes


WTF's going on over there?  You're cloning them, aren't you?  You're going to clone an army of velociraptors shooting uranium bullets!  You madman!
  

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Nothing worth mentioning, just one of my other time waster ( beside DDO and PnP ) : Mineralogy and Paleontology.

  

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Flav wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 6:42pm:
Nothing worth mentioning, just one of my other time waster ( beside DDO and PnP ) : Mineralogy and Paleontology.



Must have quite the trilobite collection by now?
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Kimberlite wrote on May 1st, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Sigils of leveling. I think they came out with F2P in Sept 2009, and it looks like they were dropped in Feb 2010.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_3#No_Level_Sigils_Required

thank god I missed that by a few months.
  
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NaturalHazard wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 10:27pm:
Must have quite the collection of trilobite collection by now?


Actually none... Too many fakes around. And I haven't found the time to go to Britanny to collect some.

( and honestly I'm more in rockhounding than in fossil hunting, so I spend more time looking for shinies than for Dead Stuff. )

It's just that I had an opportunity to be housed for free a few klicks away from the site at a time where I was in vacation.

To go back to the topic :
The two biggest fails of DDO are definitely the Sigils of Levelling and the Offer Wall.
Now There's quite a few other not far behind, but these two were the biggest.
  

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Flav wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:31am:
No, Every signal we have seen points towards BTA. But don't take that as granted... I've been out for 3 days ( collecting fossils of sea shells at the bottom of a cliff by the sea ), I haven't checked the latest developments of the PC forum.



3BC loot will be Bound to Account on Acquire?
  
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3BC loot will be Bound to Account on Acquire?


Probably.
  
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OldCoaly wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 2:12pm:
One of the frustrating things for me is that we have to go through the "with enough feedback, they'll un-ass their pet project to the point where it'll be less bad then their original implementation, but leave it still pretty crummy" step.

It's wasteful and unnecessarily tarnishes the game.


It happens in business everywhere. Saying that is shouldn't is naive. I could throw down Win 8 and tons of other products to back that claim up. It's not something I like but just like the flu, it's going to happen.

The problem I have with the entire situation is not that it happens, it's that enough people are apparently ok with how the design is going to the point where the game's direction has moved away from what I personally enjoy.

I don't blame people for exploiting because have you seen the costs involved in making a new raid item? I'm doing it honestly and 2 months later still nothing because it's shoot myself in the foot kind of fun. That's not a dev problem, that's a management decision. Managers make decisions based on money and apparently, running a raid 60 times is making them money. Must be for them to keep doing it.

It doesn't take shine away when something is a little bust up when released for me. It does take a lot of shine off when I see some of the ingredient costs knowing that the exploits used means I'm screwed before I start. The costs won't change because nobody complains about it because they have a surplass of items. Feedback is how businesses stay cutting edge.
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Rasczak wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 6:35am:
It happens in business everywhere. Saying that is shouldn't is naive. I could throw down Win 8 and tons of other products to back that claim up. It's not something I like but just like the flu, it's going to happen.

The problem I have with the entire situation is not that it happens, it's that enough people are apparently ok with how the design is going to the point where the game's direction has moved away from what I personally enjoy.

I don't blame people for exploiting because have you seen the costs involved in making a new raid item? I'm doing it honestly and 2 months later still nothing because it's shoot myself in the foot kind of fun. That's not a dev problem, that's a management decision. Managers make decisions based on money and apparently, running a raid 60 times is making them money. Must be for them to keep doing it.

It doesn't take shine away when something is a little bust up when released for me. It does take a lot of shine off when I see some of the ingredient costs knowing that the exploits used means I'm screwed before I start. The costs won't change because nobody complains about it because they have a surplass of items. Feedback is how businesses stay cutting edge.


I do think they have shot themselves in the foot with the new raids. As an occasional player I looked at the vast amounts of stuff needed and basically changed my objective to "at least get in and see this content I paid for once" rather than making anything. Which makes me more wary of buying raid content in the future - if the pack is basically that plus an explorer area it doesn't feel that good value to me.
  
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