Monkcher is popular because it can solo fast compared to other ranged classes. You don't see a ranger solo because that would take 3 times longer.

Nerf monkchers and people will just move to the next best RANGED build. Everything in the game is easier with ranged, that's a problem with the content, not with specific builds.

Steiner wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 2:32am:

Sorry I don't get what you mean by epic normal viable? what isn't feasible on epic normal?

Even If you nerf all the FOTM builds. Players. Will. Make. New. Builds. Then nerf those too, rinse, and repeat? How long can Turbine keep doing that and not learn from it? Swashbuckler!

Steiner wrote on May 6^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:


1).  Find a copy of the film 'The Dictator' starring Sacha
Baron Cohen
2).  Find the segment of the film where Hairy Potter
'teaches' Al-a-din how to masturbate.
3).  Monkey see, monkey do.

I'm sure things won't seem quite so bad then...

Rubbinns wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 3:00am:


This is only true to an extent. Whatever build you come up with, it won't be as good as Monkchers, Cetus or as easy as Shiradi Spammers with Nerve Venom being OP.

But even if you were right, start nerfing those above builds and let's see what build will rise. These builds are good only for 1 thing: discover and underline the most OP abilities with synergies that the Devs didn't think about.

Steiner wrote on May 6^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Show me your first life monkcher soloing EE FoT. I have monkcher and I do enjoy it a lot. It is OP in some particular quests but I worked hard for it. A lot of grind and farming gear. A lot of twinking and still I am not satisfied. If you think you can roll monkcher, jump in the first EE raid and easily solo it, you're wrong.

Munkenmo wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 7:44am:


That is what I meant. This build won't automatically grant you succes. I have seen many monkchers in the past who simply sucked or were just average because they didn't know how to play it or didn't have gear/tomes/whatever.

Wipe wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 6:44am:


Not in shiradi .... unless you can twist unbridled rage now ... and the difference is that it is not a monkcher. OP is calling for nerf of monkcher's specifically because only they can solo EE content. THAT is what makes the video a relevant rebuttal.

Also no pin or nerve venom and colors is turned off. Probably because they didnt care to spend 45 minutes soloing only to get frozen and one shotted. Shiradi has already been nerfed.


As for not being able to play for shit ... that is some skill right there. FoT has quite a few things to keep track of. Not saying it's Cetus skill but it's more than about 80% of the players I group with on PuGs (of which I am generally 1 of 2 ranged toons not counting casters which is another rebuttal of the OP).

Now, I couldn't make a Cetus build work for me. Had to revert to a fully ranged toon despite massive headbutting the wall determined effort .... so yeah I recognize skill when I see it in this little microcosm of a game. Calling this guy unskilled without proof of your prowess is loathsome. Especially when you can't even recognize what destiny they are in. You should DIAF. Then again calling out Steiner's bullshit may earn a reprieve .... maybe just melt a limb instead.

Daze wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 12:05am:


Like the thrower-builds are any less bullshit?

Bigjunk wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 9:36am:


Not that it is relevant to the thread but how is a ranged build bullshit?

It's currently the best way to do EE because, well ... Turbine.

Bigjunk wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 9:46am:


Disregarding how you know what the developers intend. (translating the stupid they have implemented is hard yo)


How is fixing the game breaking the means with which it can be played?

If you want to nerf monkchers and by extension all ranged ... make melee survivable. I for one will stop playing ranged toons with that one change right there.

Alternatively you could add difficulty to quests without over inflated dmg and HP's. Making mobs jump up and down to avoid arrows when they are kited as an example. Intelligent usage of spells and teamwork are also an example. With that comes the lowering of dmg, saves and HP's. All of which can be done without pissing off the player base.


But no ... instead we have to contend with idiotic threads like this one.

rest wrote on May 6^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

people moved to shuriken builds because it's better/more comfortable to play a thrower in shiradi than a fury monkcher with all those clickies, or at least that's what Rahmanii once told in party chat

I rhink the problem isn't so much that ranged is OP in EE as it is that melee is just at a huge disadvantage againt trash mobs that hit for 250+ HP a shot and the uselessness of AC.

I was looking at some EE level 27+ named loot item that was hammer/spear block mitigate 20HP physical damage or something pathetic.

Armour just doesn't scale up to EE. Top end EE heavy armour should make you a walking Abrahams Battle tank. Instead you scrimp and scratch around EDs, etc. for a few points of PRR whereever you can get it.

Turbine just doesn't employ anyone who even remotely understands game design and balance.

Quak wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

Ha, that supports the feedback during the enhancement changes that they didn't listen to. So many players said "not so many clickies on a ranged character" because you're dealing with space and positioning too. So instead a new niche where you can enjoy it outside of bow. Interesting.