It's a pretty well known fact that I don't care for IronClan that much. Unfortunately, he has been antagonizing Turbine more and more lately, making it harder to dislike him.

Steelstar doesn't seem to agree with IC's stance on the role that the PC has played/is playing with regard to the SWF/swashbuckler stuff.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/441556-Swashbuckler-Update-amp-Single-...

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I like it.

I suppose if they make SWF apply to handwraps, it would quiet down most of the unwashed masses. After all, monks get buffed, it must be good.

Not sure of the point...

But anyway Steelstar is not really telling the truth.

Yes they told us that they intended to add SWF Feats to make Swashbuckler more viable.
No they didn't give us any information about them and told us that they weren't in a presentable form when we asked and that the thing under discussion was the tree.

From there since we had no clue about the Feats and we could only talk about the tree... ( which is weak in itself. ) we did talk about the tree. ( IMO the tree would be better with some TWF ( small weapons ) allowed instead of a buckler )

The feedback that was given was not SWF is presently underpowered even with Swashbuckler, so any SWF feats should help improve DPS. The feedback was : SWF in whatever form currently in game, and even with the swashbuckler tree do not reach the DPS output of TWF/THF, as such, and due to the SWF restrictions on it, the SWBr tree will be overlooked and the bard class ( already considered a weak class ) will still be a the lets fill that last spot class.

I can tell you exactly what the problem is.

He's is clueless on offering feedback. When you get asked on a tree then comment on that tree and make a separate thread on concerns not related. I.e If you think bards are weak (as I do) then make those points somewhere else. Jumping on a soapbox every opportunity in every thread makes you that crazy guy in the parking lot in terms of how much attention I'll pay. The feats were released when Swashbuckler was released to the public already and so the feats go there for feedback as well. No reason to keep them to the PC. Not that much of a big deal on that side. The stuff IC is complaining about is separate from the tree and was mentioned but we were asked to wait for the feats before shooting it down completely. If SWF was an effective style then the tree is effective as it stands. As far as I'm concerned that's a pretty important fact. If they do make SWF viable then the tree works. If they don't then the tree falls flat. The PC never discussed SWF except in passing on the tree. The biggest problem I have with the tree is that is still gives no reason to play a bard whether the style is effective or not. I'm still better off playing a PDK with a GS.

That guy derails every thread with whines so I agree with rest, the vault should like him. There's a whole bunch of other points discussed that has Steel at a disadvantage because he is being attacked in public about something that can't be proven. I especially love how everyone automatically assumes that game additions and changes are the devs fault. It's a bit naive. IC got answered in the PC section on his whines. He could have just commented on what was being asked but instead he did his little lecture BS in public again so I'm not surprised he's getting ignored. I am surprised Steel answered though because it was a cowardly move on IC's part. I do expect that of him though. He should have stuck to the subject at hand but he chose to take cheap shots.

The rest of us commented on the tree, we were answered on the limitations, it now goes to Lam for more feedback which either shows the PC were right or wrong. That's why I said in another thread to make comments there.

Any person being intentionally antagonistic is an idiot and should probably step back. Having a temper tantrums on changes to a game you didn't like is just silly. It's getting tiring seeing the same twits throwing toys at every change. The game has changed, you either accept it and see if it still works for you or you find a new game that does instead. If you don't like something say so. I want the game to be back to before TR's. Not going to happen. The guy seems to think his arse should be kissed. Whether Turbine is right or wrong makes no difference.

You do have to ask yourself though, if someone like IC is starting to make sense...think on why he wasn't liked by everyone here and then think on why you think he makes sense now. the game would be better if people could get beyond their bitterness and offer financially viable options because right now anything requiring skill is getting sucked out the game by those whining louder about how hard it all is.

rest wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:


The enemy of my enemy can still be a giant dillweed.

Flav wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 1:56am:



You say you don't get the point, and then post the exact point right after.

rest wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

That's just her way of telling you how much she needs to make sure you know that she doesnt care.

Rasczak wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 3:31am:


wtf? Is it Ironclans fault then?


What exactly is naive about thinking that when a DEVELOPER makes ... or ... DEVELOPS something bad it is their own damn fault?


EDIT:After reading the rest of that wall of text I find myself wondering how it is you are capable of reading and writing at all.

I think we have our answer as to why Ironclan took it public....

Dickbutt wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 10:52am:


lol

You do realize that the term developer includes design, art, programming and testing ... at least in video games.

Rasczak wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 3:31am:

Really.  Blaming dev's for the crap they call product it not there fault?

Rubbinns wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:


If you trick him into saying his own name backwards will he be forced to return to his home dimension?

OldCoaly wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:


I thought he left already... Wait, I misread, he was the only one good at his job.. right.

Rasczak wrote on May 8^th, 2014 at 3:31am:


So the devs can then ignore it completely.

The devs want the game their way. Its a simple ego thing. They want to be the creators.

The only way to get them to budge on anything is to hammer away at them. Often. Loudly. And even then the devs will only budge a little.

There is simply no point offering opinions on a new enhancement tree when you have absolutely no idea how the related feats are going to work. Its a complete waste of everyones' time.