NaturalHazard wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:


I was not following the forums as much as in the past, so no sadly I did not take notice of this.

It is kind of one of those situations where no matter how lazy and incompetent Turbine has been in the past I am still surprised when they manage to top themselves.

Cyr wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:



Yeah well if your someone who likes to trade and hoard what are you suppose to do? Give up on trading large amounts and shuffle your existing goods around and or, worse delete them or give them to friends?

Cyr wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:


Sorry to hear you got ban hammered Cyr.

Regarding your point above, pretty sure they keep it vague for two reasons:
1. The due diligence required to form the view that you are an evil exploiter is much lower and fits the Turdbine work ethic.
2. It makes it hard to appeal against something nebulous.

I guess they figure that if they think you have exploited, and they give you a vague reason, the guilty will just assume it was for whatever thing they did.
Job done for them.

I have no problem with the use of scaling bans or punishments, but I think they need to actually prove it, just to ensure they don't get false positives.  The main problem with the false positives is the inventory cleansing that can't be undone, when Turdbine realise the error.

Also, because nailing innocent customers is pretty damn insulting and not particularly good business practice.

Hope to see you back in game soon.

Cyr wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:


I can, in fact, confirm that this happened to me.  The GM erased various store bought items from my inventory that were not dupable (at least as far as I know). 
Oils of Repair (5), Shears of Destoiny (2) amongst other store items were deleted from my toons. 
When I objected I was told tough and that no appeals would be tolerated. 

I also had loads of non-store bought items deleted that weren't dupable.

NaturalHazard wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 5:29am:


These muppets don't use common sense.
Remember Extreme Prejudice - they think they're the Marines and you da bad dudes.
If you get tarred as an exploiter, ain't no punishment too harsh.  They forget the part about you being a customer, and balancing punishment with not losing customers.  However, you can go around and rip players off with complete impunity though.  Stealing from other players is perfectly acceptable.

Why they delete unusual items, it could be because they're incompetent and have no idea what is dupable and what isn't.

I think the reality is that it is simply expedient.  They don't have time or resources to investigate properly, so they just go delete shit randomly.
We've already seen from reports that the application of Extreme Prejudice is extremely varied.
And it is possible to convert the duped stuff into TP thru trades..... So store bought items aren't necessarily clean.

higgildypiggildy wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 10:40am:


Similar thing happened to Olas account the.. second time.. third time.. i forget... ~shrug~ one of the times that i wasnt even online for the duping.. i was just marked previously as an exploit user.. Logged in after 3 weeks of not being online at all, to find that i could not log in. Went to change the password and what not, just in case i had forgotten it or something, still couldnt log in.. as i was checking the verification email thingy for the new pass, noticed another TB email stating my account had been suspended for 2 weeks.. i was like... really...

after loggin in my inventory was completely wiped, had nothing left. Raid gear, that isnt even remotely dupable to my knowledge, among many old items, that no longer exist (Pale Lavender Ioun with 70 recharge instead of 50.. :c)

appealed it.. appeal was instantly declined.. So.. the next dupe i got wind of, oddly found it on my own.. who woulda thought... , i went all out.. dint care. made everything and anything i could, and traded it off to random folks.. even folks that just were walkin by.. got a 90 day for it.. but fuck it felt good..

now here i sit.. waiting 2 more weeks to get on and see the dmg... xD

Vendui wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 11:20am:


Are you trying as hard as you can to get permabanned before you regain access to your account?

NaturalHazard wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 10:25pm:


The OP is not Bob or Joe who is buying a few items of the ASAH in order to finish his items.  The OP is happily buying up massive quantities of known duped goods in order to resell them.

NaturalHazard wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Of course they can.  And that is why there is an appeals process I imagine.

NaturalHazard wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 10:25pm:

I don't know why they banned him - he reports that turbine says "Item Exploit".  His assumption was that it was because of the stacks of goods he has been buying/selling on the AH
My assumption is those goods were created by exploits.  When I see 1000 shadow dragon scales for 500 Astral Shards I assume those are exploited scales.   I think it is reasonable for anyone else to assume that. 
The OP does lots of buying and selling by his own admission.  I can see how turbine could well see this laundering the scales/AS.  Each buy/sell creates a transaction that needs to be tracked down and the buying of large quantities followed by many small quantity sales could look exactly like this. 
However the fundamental point here is that any reasonable person would assume 1000 shadow dragon scales for 500AS is dealing in exploited goods. 

NaturalHazard wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Yes, I participated in Duppapaloza last year.  1st time I knowingly exploited, and I went mad I made 10K CoV.  I didn't dupe any store related stuff, only in game things.  I was banned (without any email saying so for several days) and then ban extended.  A gm logged my character on, deleted every bag and recreated every bag.  GM also deleted loads of other things that weren't in bags, some of which came from in game events/purchase and others that were store purchases and as far as I am aware could NOT have come from exploits. 

I expected to be caught and stripped of the duped goods, I expected a character roll back - I had fun duping for a couple of days. 
I though what they did was disproportionate. 
I had 100's of scrolls, seals and shards from years of raiding 6 nights a week - all gone.  All the shroud/amrath/mindsunder/scales ingredients, all gone. 
All my crafting ingredients gone. 
Ice elemental and air elemental gems (from cove/winter festival) gone. 
flawless Siberys shards (store bought and manufactured) all gone.
Yellow Dopents all gone (store bought). 
Repair Oils all gone (store bought).
Shears all gone (store bought)
loads of other similar stuff all gone. 

Here's a quote to the email response:
"In-game support is unable to return any items removed during the investigat
ion of duplicated items, regardless of the circumstances.

- Turbine Customer Service

Ogdred"
I translate the above to "suck it up".


NaturalHazard wrote on May 31^st, 2014 at 10:25pm:

That's not what I said.  That's not what I meant.  You are making up stuff. 

The "adjustment" to my account was disproportionate.
They took from me store bought stuff (i.e. for all intents and purposes real world bought stuff).

DropBear wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 6:36am:



Option 2)

Meursault wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 8:57am:


Wherever you go... there you are.   -Buckaroo Banzai

For me this has always summed up vacations, hobbies, etc... if you are a stress monster (most of us are) you will find a way to recreate your lifestyle no matter where you remove to. 

Quote:

Gya!  You have no idea how creepy it is to hear wisdom from a troll. This may be your most effective trolling yet.

WP wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 5:24pm:

of course that sucks, and i would probably just quit this shitty game (as it has become lately) if it happened to me in a big scale.
but if we want to be fair, another way to see it is if you regard the deletion of some unduped items as a punishment for getting caught exploiting.