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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #25 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the re-post Tractors. Don't follow the main forums any more, so did not see this. Not commenting on the specific changes, but the fact that they have listened is a positive. Wow. We asked for something to be done, and they have done something. Anything that makes more builds effective is a plus for the game, as it adds diversity. Now time and feedback will hopefully refine this - but at the end of the day, we will never all agree - especially if the changes are a nerf to chars we play. Who is Sev? I've not heard of that dev on DDO before? He certainly writes well and explains his thoughts coherently. Nice job.

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raybob DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 452 Joined: Sep 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #26 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	eighnuss wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:50pm: you are misinterpreting Quote: Divine Grace is now limited to 2 + (3 x Paladin Level) for the total Charisma bonuses it will add to saving throws. How am I misinterpreting? 2+(3x pally level) If the pally is 20th level, 2+(3x20)= 62


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The Great Neil Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #27 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	raybob wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:53pm: How am I misinterpreting?� 2+(3x pally level) If the pally is 20th level, 2+(3x20)= 62 You would still need the CHA to fill it like you do now. You COULD get a possible 62 to your saves but that is a cha score well over 100. Edit: would need 134 CHA
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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #28 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	raybob wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:53pm: How am I misinterpreting?� 2+(3x pally level) If the pally is 20th level, 2+(3x20)= 62 I think what they mean is you will need +20 cha mod to get 2+(3x20) to saves as lvl 20 paladin, if you take 3 lvls of paladin, but have +2 cha mod, you will get 2+(3x2). YOu still need cha to get saves, but it is limited to paladin lvl. If you have +1 cha mod, 3 paladin lvls it will be 2+(3x1).
	« Last Edit: Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm by Viktor Vaughn »

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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #29 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:47pm: Thanks for the re-post Tractors.� Don't follow the main forums any more, so did not see this.� � Not commenting on the specific changes, but the fact that they have listened is a positive.� Wow. We asked for something to be done, and they have done something.� Anything that makes more builds effective is a plus for the game, as it adds diversity. Now time and feedback will hopefully refine this - but at the end of the day, we will never all agree - especially if the changes are a nerf to chars we play. Who is Sev?� I've not heard of that dev on DDO before?� He certainly writes well and explains his thoughts coherently.� Nice job. Is this an alt account for some other dev or was he promoted?


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Illetirated Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #30 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	KilgoreTrout wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 3:20pm: Evasion characters in the party should be able to get the aggro of spell casters and survive while tanks should concentrate on going toe-to-toe with the fighters. Each type of character can have its own role and everything will be easier to balance in the long run. Hi there, Axer clone. Clerics should not have offensive spells memorized. They are only supposed to heal. Wizards should not spend their spell points on anything but buffs for the group. Anyone who doesn't follow these rules should be reported and banned from the game.
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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #31 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Palladin splash: Nerf Non-splash Palladin: Meh Net: Increased lesser heart sales from Bladeforged trying to get rid of 1 Palladin level instead of adding 1 for the splash i.e. make the class so bad that we'll pay to get rid of any trace of it.� Genius!!!


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #32 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:15pm: Palladin splash: Nerf Non-splash Palladin: Meh Net: Increased lesser heart sales from Bladeforged trying to get rid of 1 Palladin level instead of adding 1 for the splash i.e. make the class so bad that we'll pay to get rid of any trace of it.� Genius!!! like any body wants more Paladin levels. just scrap the class

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The Great Neil Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #33 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:24pm: like any body wants more Paladin levels. just scrap the class MAN the fuck. you know I want a pure paladin.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #34 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	The Great Neil wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:28pm: MAN the fuck. you know I want a pure paladin. it needs heal sla. For 30 sp..

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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The Great Neil Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #35 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:40pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:36pm: it needs heal sla. For 30 sp.. Well yes it does, holy balls yes But really I do want one and if they make paladins not suck via changes to paladin, heavy armor PRR & MRR I'm all for it.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #36 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:44pm	Print Post
	More new systems, just what we need.


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #37 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:44pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:01pm: I think what they mean is you will need +20 cha mod to get 2+(3x20) to saves as lvl 20 paladin, if you take 3 lvls of paladin, but have +2 cha mod, you will get 2+(3x2). YOu still need cha to get saves, but it is limited to paladin lvl. If you have +1 cha mod, 3 paladin lvls it will be 2+(3x1). This is so fucking wrong it makes the retards on the live boards who cant figure out how the fuck Max Dex Bonus and Dodge Cap work seem like fucking Michael Faradays. How fucking hard is it to read the equation? Your bonus is LIMITED TO 2+(3xPal levels). Not whatever bamboo madness you posted. That means if you are a Level 2 paladin with a 40 charisma(+15 bonus) You would get at max 8 (2+3x2)...if you were a level 5 paladin your maximum bonus would be 2+3x5 = 17...Which means you'd get the full bonus. As someone else pointed out to have problems with max Cap you'd need a fucking 134 Charisma before it stopped mattering....If paladins could get 134 charisma by being level 20 you'd fucking see more of them as that is a hell of a Divine Might bonus.
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Ohfaq Titan Demolisher Offline Nubz morghulis Posts: 335 Joined: Apr 28^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #38 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	they`re doing this, so that cordovan will not seem as gimp as he was in his videos with his s&b toons. or because they want to boost their fanbois (aka paladins)
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�ed Dragon Raider Offline WTB Souls, PST Posts: 227 Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #39 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Pal basically needs a damage pre. One that is more versatile than Demons and Undead... If they came out as 85% self sufficient with some DPS people would play them. Isnt 2h more a direction for Pal anyway ? When i think of Divine Avenger(the iconic pal sword?) i think of a massive 2h sword flaming with holy righteousness.... I really don't think of a sword and board.


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Red Sox H8 Yankees Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 708 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2014	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #40 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:15pm: Palladin splash: Nerf! This.

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The Great Neil Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #41 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	�ed wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Pal basically needs a damage pre. One that is more versatile than Demons and Undead... If they came out as 85% self sufficient with some DPS people would play them. Isnt 2h more a direction for Pal anyway ? When i think of Divine Avenger(the iconic pal sword?) i think of a massive 2h sword flaming with holy righteousness.... I really don't think of a sword and board. ~ We plan to introduce two new trees for shield use. The Vanguard tree will be focused on DPS while using a weapon and shield. This DPS will come from a combination of weapon damage and shield bashes. The Shieldbearer tree will be a mitigation tree that will focus on heavy armor and shield. This will also offer ways to counter enemies with active mitigation such as stuns, knock downs, and the like. These trees would be available to Fighter, Paladin and perhaps even a new class that supported heavy armor and martial abilities. As for the THF & soon to be SHF yea you could just do a kensai 12/8 pali or something as such. PC people, don't fuck this up.
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Zandos Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Feb 26^th, 2014	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #42 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	OMFG! Sid D fucking six extra light damage when using eSoS! Twenty fucking five temprorary hit points when smiting! Pure paladins will be new FOTM!


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Zandos Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 145 Joined: Feb 26^th, 2014	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #43 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	The Great Neil wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:55pm: ~ We plan to introduce two new trees for shield use. The Vanguard tree will be focused on DPS while using a weapon and shield. This DPS will come from a combination of weapon damage and shield bashes. The Shieldbearer tree will be a mitigation tree that will focus on heavy armor and shield. This will also offer ways to counter enemies with active mitigation such as stuns, knock downs, and the like. These trees would be available to Fighter, Paladin and perhaps even a new class that supported heavy armor and martial abilities. That sucks. Forget about THF, its S&B or SWF now :/


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #44 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	So I'm not sure if I am reading his clarification of the dodge cap thing correctly. I spent a bunch of enhancement points and am wearing a shitty belt (EE daggertooth) just so I can hit a 14% dodge cap in heavy armour. If it maxes out at 5% that's a kick in the dick for sure. This new guy.. he is great at NOT being clear when he "clarifies" something. And also great at avoiding answering the tougher questions, even when they're presented in an eloquent (if caustic) manner.


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The Great Neil Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2013	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #45 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:08pm: So I'm not sure if I am reading his clarification of the dodge cap thing correctly. I spent a bunch of enhancement points and am wearing a shitty belt (EE daggertooth) just so I can hit a 14% dodge cap in heavy armour. If it maxes out at 5% that's a kick in the dick for sure. This new guy.. he is great at NOT being clear when he "clarifies" something. And also great at avoiding answering the tougher questions, even when they're presented in an eloquent (if caustic) manner. Your dodge would go from starting at 2% in heavy to starting at 5%


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #46 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	Or I'm really bad at reading. One or the other. man being in training all day with no internets fucking sucks when proposed changes come out.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #47 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:08pm: This new guy.. he is great at NOT being clear when he "clarifies" something. And also great at avoiding answering the tougher questions, even when they're presented in an eloquent (if caustic) manner I noticed both of those too, it's not helping my doubts for these changes.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #48 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	Well it turns out that my most recent guy, heavy armour eSOS, will benefit from these idea. Since he has 4 pally levels, that equates to +14 CHA from saves. I've pumped him up to 36 CHA, bringing me in right under at +13 CHA mod. Looks like a net win for that one specific character. He was more flavour than anything, but he is decently effective. Obviously not great in EEs because of the high damage (hadn't figured out how to fit in elemental absorption yet) but this change could make it work. But I knew from jump street he was flavour, not badass. But I will reiterate: WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE NEW FUCKING SYSTEMS!! WE HAVE ENOUGH! ALL THE NEW SYSTEMS YOU BRING OUT ARE BROKEN FROM THE START. AND IF THEY ARE EVER FIXED (which is not the usual course) THEY ARE ABANDONED HALFWAY THROUGH FOR THE NEXT SHINY THING!! FUCKING STOP IT!


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Armor & Mitigation & Pally changes -- Discuss! Reply #49 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 8:27pm	Print Post
	but the divine grace thing really fucks sorc/pallys


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