https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/444367-In-a-game-with-such-rampant-dup...

Wherein HAL repeatedly has to post replies of how he is not wrong and has valid points. Because if you keep posting how much you believe your own lies then everyone else will believe it too.

Not to be outdone by HAL, by any means. Hendrik breaks down into cursing and begging for the turbine bukaki fest.

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If people like you and HAL had never joined any forums.. So that you couldnt spew your retarded shit and ruin the game for the rest of us. By spouting off in the wrong direction- hint; unplug your rectum, look at turbine- every single fucking time. This game would be at least 80% better. Easily

And where do you think you're going? As if. Your 10k post count binds you to this game and that forum. Youre dead without it. You give up your podium of Jerry jizz? Nevar

Personally, prefer to play a game without dupes/exploits/hacks/cheats etc at least once. If it's good, I play it again, maybe a few times. After a while, tho, it gets boring. At that point, the only thing left to do is go god mode, pull out every tip and trick I've came across while on my grindfest, and pwn everything for 99,999 x a jillion damage once or twice. After that, I realize I don't actually care about playing the game anymore. I go do something else.

Basically, most of us are doing it because we're just done with the game. I'll go out on a limb and say most people follow this pattern of behavior. Nothing to be done about it, really.

I don't understand the drama. Dupe bug is a proof that programmers either do want us to dupe stuff or just incompetent and can not do their job. If it's the 1st case - thank you guys for giving us chance to catch up and improve out playstyle. If it's no2 - guess - you did shitty no2 job! If I was your breadgiver I would fire your incompetent ass and find someone who can do the job without bugs. But that's just me.
On the other hand eXploits are good or even great marketing tool. Look - I made this today by duping! I was not wasting time to run the raid - I used timers for duped cards, then I was able to get this ingredient - so I duped it and get this awesome item. Game keeps roling. I tell the friend that he can do the same and we have people running the game again. Who cares!
Also - come on! If someone have too much AS - ASAH is a joke! A lot of people duped their AS thanks to incompetence (again) cause they were reusing certain bug to gain infinite source of AS.
You say economy I say joke! For me ingame economy died somewhere around 1st Crystal Cove. Thanks to certain wand bug I made around 40 mil plat and all I wanted from AH.
Dupers and traders helped me to get gear that I was not lucky enough to get for years of playing. Silly old shard/seal/scroll system was about grinding. Was it perfect? I don't know and I do not care.
I know one thing - if they won't fix major bugs first and then focus on silly bugs (like dupes) I won't spare money on TP or XPacks. MOTU was not bad but Shadowfail? Come on! Bonuses were pathetic.
OK. Time to finish this and get some sleep while my nasty main guy will run crucible optionals over and over again.
Duping is the future of DDO. Players - prove I'm right. Devs - prove I'm wrong!

Half of those fuckead a lurk or have an account here.  Hendricks definitely posts here under a sock puppet.

Why dont those guys just shut up and play how they wanna play and let other people do what they wanna do. They can just run with people like them only. And stay away from people who use features. It that easy. No need to bitch about it.

Rubbinns wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:


you left out Vint and Hungarian Dipshittery from the braintrust listed above.

Yobai wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:


I've never really minded Vint.  Haven't seen much of his more recent stuff but usually he goes along the lines of mind your own business.  Pretty sure he doesn't advocate cheating.

He can be a bit of a prick, when I ran with legion a few times, but I didn't mind him in my pugs so much.  At least he knew what the fuck to do, unlike a lot of other puggers.

oh, where one can get invis pots?

no, this game really does suck because of duping. And there is one reason why:

it ruins grouping and creates "income inequality" amongst players. Then they cant run together, because you can't run EE's with geared out people if you just legitimately grind for gear. At least, not for a long time after the dupers run off with all the new best stuff, or having unlimited resources.

That gulf becomes exacerbated by the time spent not running with each other, so you get two distinct groups: haves and have nots.

If this sounds like the current fucked up socio-economic and political situation in the U.S., it's because it's actually a good microcosm experiment to understand it. Equality of opportunities and access to resources is what creates harmony in society. It allows people to focus on bigger problems (like an EE raid), together, at the same time, to accomplish bigger things. Inequality simply limits the size of groups and and the size of individuals possible contributions, based on resources, instead of effort or ability.

/flame on, 'tards.

Full Disclosure: I played this game from 2006-2013 without ever duping a single thing. Mostly because I didn't know how or care enough to do it. I did Macro shard decons when crafting came out to level faster, but that was the closest I ever got, until Dupapalooza last year, and of course Dupapalooza 2. Having been both, I know the above to be true. Or rather, while I was able to run harder content, I did so with greter frustration and worse loot for a long time. It made me a better player, but also less interested in the game, and angry at cheaters, which made me not want to play. I also avoided the top guilds on Khyber all of that time, because I felt I wasn't good enough without all the loot I didn't understand people having. Although now with equivilent loot, it turns out I was always better than most of them.

Poverty is a real bitch that way.

harharharhar wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:


Turbine doesn't want us to play together anyways.
Just look at the dungeon scaling and some strange spawn scaling in some challenges and newer quest.

Meursault wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:15am:


I actually think the Vault revealing dupes is the great equalizer. Many more people got top end loot very quickly. After some time breaking it in, you got a lot more people capable of running harder content. The problem, lots of people had already left DDO by this time, and the content is so riddled with bugs that things were trivially easy. Like Stand and Be Judged on Purple. If anyone keeps playing this game now that they've banned a lot of the best players, and bugged out all the interfaces, and released stupid content no one really cares about (ie not End Game that challenges people with TF weapons), it's sort of a moot point.

We'll see what happens with Epic Orchard.

Wipe wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 11:18am:


You're right, it doesn't affect the very best or the very worst players. The people it has the most effect on are the huge masses of middle level players. The ones who would be OK if they had comparable gear, but who can't cut it with significantly poorer gear.

And that middle group deosn't need (or mostly even want) Godlike power, they just don't want to be a soulstone in somebody's backpack for a whole quest, that's frustrating not fun.

harharharhar wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 11:14am:


I agree, but unfortunately The Vault doesn't reach enough players and the details mostly have to be secret and passed by PM to keep Turbine from wrapping them in gauze (because band-aids were not cumbersome enough). The Vault Leaks definitely help, but they are a band-aid for getting around, um, Turbine's band-aids 

Overmind wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

This.

And if ppl dupe is because the retarded grind or some things like RSS ans SOS have a fuciking retarded drop rates.

I pulled every kind of shard/seal/scroll from sands but the RSS stuff, now i have 9 rings and 10 Epic SoS's and fuck turdbine.