Shadehater wrote on Jul 12
th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
Of course there are differences. You posted two videos and even though you use the one SWF weapon that had glancing blows to try and prove your point it only BARELY (2.2% relative speed) won out. I have not bothered to count wasted time not swinging and all the other factors.
You keep stating that this small amount is at all proof. It isn't It is a single data point under your favorable conditions and it only barely trends your direction.
Why are you incapable of reading.
Your numbers even show it isn't a 'huge dump' on THF at all. No one has even stated that SWF isn't better against single targets.
You don't seem capable of understanding the arguments are against your logic and methods, and conclusions. What you say is sometimes correct, but you say it like an idiot, and its your blindness to the actual facts that make you keep tripping over your tongue.
You are so blinded by your ego/agenda/cetus-hate that you
don't read the honest points I make.
Let me be absolutely clear here:
1. The 2.2% difference only shows that I can beat a very mob-heavy quest with a SWF just as fast as a THF. That's it - it merely shows that it is
possibleConsidering the amount of time it takes to find fuckface in part 2, chase around the boss, etc - I'll guess that the 2.2% difference falls well within the error bars in this measurement (yes this is a guess, it isn't unscientific to make a guess - as long as you don't conflate it with fact) - so, for all intents and purposes of this particular data set - SWF is neither better nor worse than THF against mass mob contexts.
BUT - this is for a quest that is very mob heavy and was intentionally chosen to demonstrate AoE DPS (if you notice, I plant myself in very dangerous situations so that I can cleave).
2. Again, I agree that this is crude and that people play differently - but if each person posts a THF and a SWF entry, then only the relative difference emerges, playstyle should cancel out between the two entries for each person - since it is the same person playing in both videos. You can't reproduce my playstyle, but you can reproduce the comparison.
3. I never, ever, ever, ever said this is proof. Fucking read what I write. I constantly use hedging language, but you can't fucking see past your own irrationality to concede this.
4. What are "my favorable" conditions for SWF? If I want THF to be better, wouldn't it be to my advantage if it WAS better? Your logic makes no sense. If I tested THF vs. SWF and saw that THF was better, then yay for me - why would I ever intentionally skew anything? I'd only do myself the disservice.
Now, you're claiming I had favorable conditions. So, why don't you tell me specifically - what did I use to favor one but not the other that I haven't explicitly stated? I did a few videos where it wasn't exactly apples to apples, notably the giant where I forgot to get quick strike, or in other harpie videos where I forgot to keep my monk stances the same. These are all discrepancies that I pointed out myself - but I posted the videos nonetheless. Not ALL of the videos have these side notes. Watch all of the videos, and make up your mind based on the overall footage.
5. I know that nobody has stated that SWF isn't better against single targets. But, I wanted to know how much better it is, than to simply say "it's better". Understand the difference. I don't mind if SWF is better than THF by 5% against single targets if THF is better than SWF by 5% against AoE. I do mind if THF and SWF take out mass mobs about at the same rate, but SWF takes single targets down 10-15% faster.
My tentative position is this: SWF isn't notably worse than THF against AoE, but is SIGNIFICANTLY better than THF against single target.
This makes THF underpowered, and this is, I'll repeat, tentative. If you and others can independently test this as accurately as you can, then I'll gladly revise my position based on the DATA. After all, if you show that THF is in fact, not that far behind, this is a winning situation for me because THF is my preference. If you confirm my position, then its a winning situation anyway because then we have more of a reason to revise the combat styles. Either way, I'm good - I don't have a dog in this fight, either conclusion works for me.
Holy shit - did I actually give shadehater a real answer?