I can't get into other MMOs combat. Some look good though, like Tera, Vindictus come to mind. But in all those games everyone has the same run speed. Zerging is actually crawling. And jumping isnt near what ddo jumping is like. It makes running around and fighting rather dull. Then there are the point to a spot and move there mmos. zzzzz.

The amount of grinding is far greater. The combat is less dynamic.

Wipe wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:10am:

There was no proposed definition of "hardcore" in the OP, so I can make it whatever I want.

I say hardcore = spending more than 4 hours a day (average 30 hours a week) on the game.

Distributed wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Yea, that sucked. 

Viktor Vaughn wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:14pm:

That there were people having sometimes 8 or 9 reseller shops :p Sure you had to be logged in, and I didn't mean to correct you or anything. Just added a comment based on what you said

DDO used to be quite difficult compared to other mmo's. Traps were brutal, xp debt, permanent debuffs, but slowly that changed. This current abomination that was ddo is so easy that you can buy your way to triple heroic/epic/iconic completionist, ad nauseam.

What a retarded question. It means nothing.  WTF fuck off. Thread should be deleted this is meaningless and fucktarded.

This is the first forum I know that even considers calling an MMORPG beeing a casual game.

If you are not used to the DnD/PnP stuff DDO is not easy to get into. DDO is missing some explanation of the core game concept if you are new to the game, all the explanation and stuff you get ingame don't start at the real basics a player might need if not used to playing DnD/PnP.

Not sure if it's that hard in other MMORPGs as well if you never played an RPG or MMORPG. But the stuff is usually more self-explanatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_game <-- think that 'definition' is close to the one I got from several game companies advertising their games as casual or casual friendly and several discussions about casual gamers in other forums.
And I don't see where this definition would fit to DDO.

It only has bigger learning curve if you dont know anything about d&d, like me, never even heard about dungeon and dragons before I started playing ddo.
Took me a bit longer than other mmos to learn it.
But that doesnt make it hardcore.

Also in 9d you had rares that spawned only few times daily, there was only 1 instance on the server, so imagine all the players gathering there. 
And it spawned after x hours it was killed, so you never knew when it will spawn unless you knew when it was killed, also had people camping there.

What does endgame mean?
Be at 28 and have enough fate points for 3, 1, 1?

Viktor Vaughn wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Ugh, hated stuff like that. L2 raids respawned once a day I think, but specials one could be a week or something. One of them was even required to earn access to subclassing, which was sort of a reincarnation system.

Problem is, it was not a set time, spawn was one week after last time it was killed PLUS another random 0-12 hours. Even worse, it was one of the farmed "epic" raids at the time, which means the top clans/alliances would compete to be the ones to kill it. Since it was a pvp game, you had no guarantee they would even let you inside, if they had not already killed you on sight for just waiting there to be able to complete your quest.

Had to camp that thing 4 times before I got through, after sitting there for 13 hours on that last attempt.

IMARANGER wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Can do all that on first life char.
I even played with some sorc 18/ 2 pally, ee tor, he was even adventurer, played better than most completionists.