Viktor Vaughn wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 8:07am:


You can make your life quite a bit easier by running a powerful FoTM build that works very well on a first life, sure.

Again, how many folks do you know that have multiple endgame toons? Again, that's multiple toons with all destinies finished, pretty much complete kit, and a reasonable complement of Heroic and Epic Past Lives.  Of those folks, how many are casuals?  The answer to the latter question is: zero.

IMARANGER wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Sorc in DI is hardly fotm.

IMARANGER wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Nobody at epics is casual.

He works for turbine, so idk what is your point?
That only people that work for turbine are casual? 

Asheras wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 5:46pm:

Sex in one line with games and chess? You are definitely a poor fellah... 

IMARANGER wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 5:28pm:

The difference between a casual and a hardcore mmo (korean for example) is that in hardcore mmo's you NEED best gear, best stats, best level in order to be good. I know first lifers that solo ee content. Not many, and they are not casual gamers, but they solo those because they have their main account banned or gifted it to someone a while ago after they quit, now came back.

That said, if you have crappy gear you are dead all the time, and so you can't level, can't play pvp, can't compete with anyone. You are not welcome in bosskills, not welcome in parties.
In contrary to hardcore mmo's, you don't need past lives in ddo. Make a fucking sorc and you are set. Level up draconic incarnation and that's it. Or make a first lifer shiradi wizard. You will be welcome in any kind of ee party, and if you don't play/stat too dumb, you will have a fair amount of kills and dps.

People in hardcore mmo's can see your gear, mostly because the different armor grades have different colors, same goes for weapons, and there is only 1 weapon per grade per class. You cannot join a party and go there with a low grade weapon and leech. Ddo disabled myddo for probably exactly this reason: people where looking up others that they didn't know and declined them if they had shit gear. Paladin heroes on the forums whined about discrimination. I bet.

If you are not top level with top gear in a korean mmo, you will have a hard time in pvp's. In the mmo that I played, 1 level lower than the opponent you faced, reduced your chances on winning this pvp by 50%. 2 levels lower and it was IMPOSSIBLE to win. Ddo has no pvp and that shit in the tavern is kindergarten crap, not worth mentioning.

In ddo you can play easily as a casual, because there's no competition, no pvp, no bosskills that require more than 12 people. There's no fight over level spots, there's no waiting to play (can always do hard/normal, after all).
In hardcore mmo's you cannot play casual, in contrary to ddo, because you got a level ranking, pvp, bosskills and you cannot participate in anything if you don't get up to the top.

Ddo starts at level 1, hardcore mmo's start at 5 levels below top level AT LEAST. To get to the top, you can invest hundreds of $ to pay for leeching, and for gear, and/or share your account with 2 or 3 friends who plays your character in turns, with timer when to wake up just to keep spots, or you bot (chances are high to get caught).

Go and play a korean mmo and see how difficult it is to get to the top with that darn xp curve. Every 10 levels you need to get 2.5 times more xp.

Level        Exp needed          
85->86     38,172,360,013
86->87     45,807,117,133      
87->88      54,968,833,525      
88->89      65,962,901,170      
89->90      94,986,948,540
90->91      113,984,718,984      
91->92      136,782,053,544      
92->93      164,138,865,195      

92 is the current top level on the server that I played. If you want to participate and be any useful, you have to be 88/89. My character was 85,7 when I quit her last year. I created her in 2007, and didn't play her for 1.5 years. It took me over 4 years of hardcore gaming, and 3000$ to get her to 85. Can't say I invested that much time/money into ddo, not even close.

Quak wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 5:18am:

Spoken like someone who has never been jumped by a horse in sexchess.

Quak wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

So much innocence....

Quak wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 5:18am:

Also for almost every korean mmo you will need a macro or your fingers will rot, if you think ddo has clicking problems, you never tried korean.

Quak wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 5:18am:


I will point out that you didn't mention Build... since in Hardcore MMO there is only one build that works for a given slot in a party.
All the other builds are gimped... In DDO there is several way to reach the same effectiveness for a given slot... and you can see a Wizard tank, a Cleric melee and a Ranger heal... in Hardcore MMO it wouldn't be possible, the Wizard would be the nuker, the Cleric the healer and the ranger that Ranged guy we brought in because there's a ranged bit we have to do...

Quak wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 5:18am:


I don't think it was the only reason... Cutting Cost ( maintenance, server rental, ... ) is probably the best guess.

oh and what I also love.. Korean mmo's are quite unsocial. A former friend of mine has some trouble right now about a bosskill. 120 people can join that and on the server that I played, it's organized by a bunch of germans. They put the lists together when anyone who applied to join has their kill, sends bosskill share, puts up party lists, etc. So the main organizer got a girlfriend who has seven kills per week and leeches. Leeching is forbidden by the rules so my friend asked why she's leeching. He's banned from joining these bosskills till he stops asking questions about this issue. There's no one that will help him, not a GM and not his guild because you need 120 people to enter this bosskill room and you cannot find enough to do your own bosskill. He can stfu or never join again. Gotta love german dictatorship in mmo's

Quak wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Same in 9d, when you hit lvl 60 you cant change your roll or anything.
There were set roles, warrior, hybrid, healer and nuker.
Dont have anything except that, and if you fuck up your stats, start over.
After like lvl 120-130, you were fighting mobs 2-3 lvls higher than you, and they would give you external wounds, had to drink a lot of pots to get rid of that.

IMARANGER wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:


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