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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	OC Changes Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:05am	Print Post
	Quote Originally Posted by peng View Post Ah... Didn't realize they worked without having the feats. Not a huge bonus if you're working towards overwhelming crit, but free feats are always nice. "Actually we already discussed the Overwhelming Critical issue with the Player's Council. We are removing both the Strength requirement and the Great Cleave requirement from that feat. Sev~" Coming in my pants right now~


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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: OC Changes Reply #1 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:37am	Print Post
	Jesus... they're taking away the Strength requirement as well? Fuuuuuck. goes off to theorycraft a whole bunch of Dex-to-damage builds

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: OC Changes Reply #2 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:53am	Print Post
	Persiflage wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:37am: goes off to theorycraft a whole bunch of Dex-to-damage builds Makes me like the idea of a shuriken expertise drow swashbuckling rogue/fighter splash a lot more.

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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: OC Changes Reply #3 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:04am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:53am: Makes me like the idea of a shuriken expertise drow swashbuckling rogue/fighter splash a lot more. Hell yes. When I have the spare time, I am going to look into how many different kinds of critical multiplier it's possible to stack in a single build. Combined with the melee power changes, things promise to get rather silly. For the record, I'm fine with that

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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barcelot Ex Member	Re: OC Changes Reply #4 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:41am	Print Post
	sheesh.


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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: OC Changes Reply #5 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:51am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:53am: Makes me like the idea of a shuriken expertise drow swashbuckling rogue/fighter splash a lot more. Do you have a way to get dex to damage on your shurikens as a Swashbuckling Drow?
	« Last Edit: Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:52am by FM »

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Ugg the Unwise Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 365 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2014	Re: OC Changes Reply #6 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 5:02am	Print Post
	Why not remove the other Stat requirements for other feats well since we can have wisdom for ranged and Str based rogues etc


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barcelot Ex Member	Re: OC Changes Reply #7 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 5:12am	Print Post
	Don't encourage em man!


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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: OC Changes Reply #8 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 5:45am	Print Post
	Ugg the Unwise wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 5:02am: Why not remove the other Stat requirements for other feats well since we can have wisdom for ranged and Str based rogues etc Damn right! And while we're at it, lets allow to-hit and damage to always use whatever your highest stat number is; I think it's appalling that my Druid has to hit EE bosses more than once in order to kill them� � Okay, so DDO is riding a horse and carriage down Cheese Street into the middle of Crazy Town and running for office, but it'll be a hell of a way to stave off ennui.� Melee/ranged power stats look like the final piece of the puzzle for creating a much broader range of utterly abusive builds. I can actually envisage a day arriving that I would once have said was impossible: when people on the shithole DDO forums are bewailing the fact that everyone seems to be playing Bards (and maybe even Paladins) nowadays.� We'll have Teh_Troll and his crew crying for nerfs, pure Monk enthusiasts begging desperately to be made competitive again, loads of people who spent months farming out ingredients to make matched sets of weapons bawling their eyes out that TWF has been made "redundant"... LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!� �

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #9 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 7:29am	Print Post
	I think this Severlin dude will finally break the game. Durr hurr- like early FoS, then fuck up, then leave unfinished shit. Too many changes at once, too big changes, too little testing. Turning the game upside the fuck down - done Turbine way.


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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #10 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:30am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 7:29am: I think this Severlin dude will finally break the game. Durr hurr- like early FoS, then fuck up, then leave unfinished shit. Too many changes at once, too big changes, too little testing. Turning the game upside the fuck down - done Turbine way. He's never played the game and has shown he doesn't understand how basic properties stack. I don't see how that could go wrong. You're obviously overreacting.

	Turbine policy - glitches and poor coding resulting in interference of your game play or enjoyment will be ignored.� Glitches or poor coding on the developers side that at all benefit your game play or enjoyment will result in your character being banned and/or items from your inventory deleted.� Please report all bugs via our bug report...when it works.
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Ugg the Unwise Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 365 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2014	Re: OC Changes Reply #11 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:35am	Print Post
	Persiflage wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 5:45am: Damn right! And while we're at it, lets allow to-hit and damage to always use whatever your highest stat number is; I think it's appalling that my Druid has to hit EE bosses more than once in order to kill them� � Okay, so DDO is riding a horse and carriage down Cheese Street into the middle of Crazy Town and running for office, but it'll be a hell of a way to stave off ennui.� Melee/ranged power stats look like the final piece of the puzzle for creating a much broader range of utterly abusive builds. I can actually envisage a day arriving that I would once have said was impossible: when people on the shithole DDO forums are bewailing the fact that everyone seems to be playing Bards (and maybe even Paladins) nowadays.� We'll have Teh_Troll and his crew crying for nerfs, pure Monk enthusiasts begging desperately to be made competitive again, loads of people who spent months farming out ingredients to make matched sets of weapons bawling their eyes out that TWF has been made "redundant"... LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!� � Iirc int is the only stat that can't be used as hit/dam (unless swashbuckling) and wisdom only to hit on ranged.. All other Stats can currently be used by some or most characters.. So I fail to see how this is in the future :p But honestly.... OC will be the new no-brain feat so if that goes through they might as well open up the other feats as well. This change and the one for ld is idiotic


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: OC Changes Reply #12 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:06am	Print Post
	FM wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:51am: Do you have a way to get dex to damage on your shurikens as a Swashbuckling Drow? Not 100% sure it works as it should but, Shurikens use dex for their to hit mod, and I'd intend to have rogue levels, so Assasin core 2: Quote: Dagger in the Back: You can now use your Dexterity for damage with Daggers and Kukris. If you possess the Weapon Finesse feat, this also applies to melee weapons with which you can use your Dexterity modifier to hit.

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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: OC Changes Reply #13 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:42am	Print Post
	Surely the operative part of the quoted text is; "...this also applies to melee�weapons with which you can use your Dexterity modifier to hit." ?
	« Last Edit: Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:43am by Persiflage »
	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #14 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:42am	Print Post
	If his paladin changes go live everone is simply going to go 14 Pally/whatever it doesn't matter


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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: OC Changes Reply #15 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:57am	Print Post
	Ugg the Unwise wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:35am: Iirc int is the only stat that can't be used as hit/dam (unless swashbuckling) and wisdom only to hit on ranged.. All other Stats can currently be used by some or most characters.. So I fail to see how this is in the future :p 1) Int can be added to attack or damage since Artificers 2) I said "lets allow to-hit and damage to always use whatever your highest stat number is"... No more of this namby-pamby "only certain stats with certain weapons or enhancements" nonsense; they should just get to the inevitable point of using whatever your highest stat is at the time. Anyway, I have since revised this idea as weaksauce. At the current rate of cheese acceleration (approximately 1.7 MegaBrie per update^2), the Devs should just anticipate the final outcome and add up all of the modifiers for all of the stats, multiply it by character level, and use that number as your bonus to attack, damage, saving throws, AC and spell/tactical ability DC's. Just call it "character power"... OVER 9000!

	stainer wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am: Oh you are good. I will be watching you. QuantumFX wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 11:11am: You are an evil human being.� m4lacka wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 7:04am: wow that post hurt a lot more than any of the namecalling i expected. Now I see why ppl consider you evil.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #16 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:06am	Print Post
	rogues and arties both get int to Xbows, and rogues get int/dex to daggers


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #17 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:07am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:06am: Not 100% sure it works as it should but, Shurikens use dex for their to hit mod, and I'd intend to have rogue levels, so Assasin core 2: i could try and test this today


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: OC Changes Reply #18 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:07am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:42am: If his paladin changes go live everone is simply going to go 14 Pally/whatever it doesn't matter That sounds like bullshit to me.


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Ugg the Unwise Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 365 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2014	Re: OC Changes Reply #19 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Right.. Forgot the rogues and arties..


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: OC Changes Reply #20 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:07am: That sounds like bullshit to me.� All but� bard / druid. The rest of melee / ranged builds should definately migrate to 14 pally as proposed atm.� �Especially true for dagger, staff and throwing builds.
	« Last Edit: Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:17am by Munkenmo »
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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #21 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:42am: If his paladin changes go live everone is simply going to go 14 Pally/whatever it doesn't matter I am happy about this.....pally is my favourite class.....will be awesome finally feeling justified to run one in epics. (also yay 1000th post)

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: OC Changes Reply #22 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	kierg10 wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 1:48pm: (also yay 1000th post) 2,000 to go!

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: OC Changes Reply #23 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:14am: All but� bard / druid. The rest of melee / ranged builds should definately migrate to 14 pally as proposed atm.� �Especially true for dagger, staff and throwing builds. I can see dagger and staff. Though I'd be hard pressed actualy want to use a dagger. Throwers? I dont know enough of them other than my testing to say that it would be preferable to the loss of the other goodies by such a deep splash in a class with shitty trees, but maybe Im missing something. So I guess that leave staff builds.


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Quak Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 298 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2013	Re: OC Changes Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	FM wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:51am: Do you have a way to get dex to damage on your shurikens as a Swashbuckling Drow? You don't unless you go halfling.

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