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Bitching About Air Ships
Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:09am
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Cargo Hold: Efficient, easy to find, easy to navigate.

Entire Rest of the Ship: Stupid, buttfucked clutter. The larger the ship, the harder it is to find the amenity you want, and the more fucking time wasted bumping into shit, because why would you design a ship with a straight path in it? Crazy, right?

The buff bar solved that problem, so Turbine got anxious and added amenities like The Orien Express, that cannot be used from the top deck.
  

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Re: Bitching About Air Ships
Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:17am
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:09am:
The Orien Express, that cannot be used from the top deck.


Is the Orien express a mailbox?

I've always liked how close the AH and mail are to the entrance in the harbor.

House J is nice too for it's proximity to a mailbox and bag vendor.
  

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Re: Bitching About Air Ships
Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:21am
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The Orien Express is a room with a mail box, bank, and an AH in it.

And yes, leaving the ship is more convenient than using its amenities.

Edit: Leaving also becomes a bigger pita as the ship "improves" and gets larger.
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:22am
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:09am:
Cargo Hold: Efficient, easy to find, easy to navigate.

Entire Rest of the Ship: Stupid, buttfucked clutter. The larger the ship, the harder it is to find the amenity you want, and the more fucking time wasted bumping into shit, because why would you design a ship with a straight path in it? Crazy, right?

The buff bar solved that problem, so Turbine got anxious and added amenities like The Orien Express, that cannot be used from the top deck.


My God!  It's like the game is being designed by people who have never played it once in their lives Shocked
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:27am
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Skoodge wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:22am:
My God!  It's like the game is being designed by people who have never played it once in their lives

QFT.

Same fucking issue with The Hall Between Worlds. If they wonder why no one buys the ability to use it to switch between Estar and Khyber, it's because it takes exactly the same amount of time as hopping through the caves. Convenience would be not losing those five dead minutes.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:30am
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Munkenmo wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:17am:
I've always liked how close the AH and mail are to the entrance in the harbor.

House J is nice too for it's proximity to a mailbox and bag vendor.

And The Twelve has a nice open-air tavern right at the airship door.
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:55am
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:30am:
And The Twelve has a nice open-air tavern right at the airship door.


And a nice close shrine.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 5:09am
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I hate that I have bank, auction, tavern and mail on my ship, but cant put it on top so it is pretty much useless, because if I want to transfer stuff from 1 char to another when I log off I will be on top deck, not where I logged off, in cargo.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 6:52am
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Yep, all the above sentiments.

And they spent all that time designing aesthetically nice (if you like that sort of thing), but functionally useless guild ships.
Allowing the key services on the top deck would be useful, but there are benefits being in the bowels of the ship where no-one bothers going.....

Hall of heroes the same Revaulting.  What a colossal waste of effort.
Of course the appearance point is at the furtherest end from the doorway out.... Genius.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:07am
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Skoodge wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:22am:
My God!  It's like the game is being designed by people who have never played it once in their lives Shocked


True, but they watched their Community Manager play it once  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:52am
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Because having Bank, Mail, Auctioneer, Tavern and Captain on the top deck would be too useful and make too much sense.

Like who gives a shit about ship interior, except one time where you actually have to go to put amenities there.

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Reply #11 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:32am
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It's probably all deliberate. More running around time = more time in game. Quality of play be damned, it raises the hours logged in KPIs!
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:49am
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They were warned that ship redesign was going to be an issue... *sigh*
As ( mostly ) usual they did what they wanted with the warnings.

It seems that their solution is, temporarily, the Cargo Hold.
Though don't expect it to survive long. ( at least don't expect the amenities to be available for too long )
I wouldn't be surprised it they removed all the old amenities from Store and such in U23 or U24.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 10:31am
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Re: Bitching About Air Ships
Reply #14 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 10:33am
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Flav wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:49am:
They were warned that ship redesign was going to be an issue... *sigh*
As ( mostly ) usual they did what they wanted with the warnings.

It seems that their solution is, temporarily, the Cargo Hold.
Though don't expect it to survive long. ( at least don't expect the amenities to be available for too long )
I wouldn't be surprised it they removed all the old amenities from Store and such in U23 or U24.


It's inevitable that they will phase out the old buffs
I don't agree but have resigned to the fact
So long as they give advance warning, I can make use of all my anniversary card account mules and buy all the resistance buffs
  
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Reply #15 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 10:58am
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Even if there was spend time for designing all the new rooms which feels somewhat wasted because most players not going to see much of it regularly it isn't that bad.
The real problem is the additional loading screen to get to the mailbox, bank, auctioneer and shop keeper. But the Orien Express with a room including a shop keeper next to it is not more walking around than it was on top deck before the redesign. Although I agree that it needs more time to get there because of the loading screen. But with the longer lasting ship buffs you can go back to air ship after a longer time of doing quests, so if you are able to have enough free inv spots it's less time spend to sell stuff, bank it, mail it or auction it.

But atm I am using the cargo hold as well, just because it's less walking around than it ever was. Cheesy
That's very nice if you are a hoarder like me and need to clear bank/inventory for each TR. :S
That usually takes at least 2 hours for me and is not really fun, but I can't just throw away everything, it might become handy somewhen. Cheesy
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:06am
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SwashbucklerHater wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 10:58am:
The real problem is the additional loading screen



I know I won't be believed...
But the Loading Screen has been brought up as being THE Killer issue on the ship, just to be shrugged off by those in charge.
  

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Reply #17 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:17am
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 4:09am:
The buff bar solved that problem, so Turbine got anxious and added amenities like The Orien Express, that cannot be used from the top deck.


If you lay out your ship properly it isn't an issue.

we put all vendors on the 1st deck with the teleportation room directly across from the Orien express.  all the crafting stuff is on the second deck.  all the fluff everywhere else.  it's been very convenient.

maybe you need a bigger boat?



  

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Reply #18 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:21am
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Viktor Vaughn wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 5:09am:
because if I want to transfer stuff from 1 char to another when I log off I will be on top deck, not where I logged off, in cargo.


THAT part is annoying.  I don't mind going down one deck, but when you are moving things between toons you know it's sub-optimal ship design when you logging off in the harbor is more convenient than logging off on the boat.
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Reply #19 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:28am
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When you enter the airship it should ask which deck.

Then just go straight to the cargo hold.
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:34am
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Satanscock wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:28am:
When you enter the airship it should ask which deck.

Then just go straight to the cargo hold.



why the fuck would I want to go to the cargo hold?  you still use those old buffs?
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:49am
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Yobai wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 11:34am:
why the fuck would I want to go to the cargo hold?  you still use those old buffs?


cargo hold is the place to be, yo.
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 12:13pm
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Wait, they're still available in the store?

I know that People were talking about filling multiple alts with old resists and other amenities before U22 bc they wouldn't be purchaseable anymore.
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 12:21pm
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Flav wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:49am:
They were warned that ship redesign was going to be an issue... *sigh*
As ( mostly ) usual they did what they wanted with the warnings.

It seems that their solution is, temporarily, the Cargo Hold.
Though don't expect it to survive long. ( at least don't expect the amenities to be available for too long )
I wouldn't be surprised it they removed all the old amenities from Store and such in U23 or U24.


I thought I read on other forums a dev stating that cargo hold buffs were being finished forever at U23.
  
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Reply #24 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 3:28pm
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mudfud wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 12:21pm:
I thought I read on other forums a dev stating that cargo hold buffs were being finished forever at U23.

We want those buffs to continue to be available, so
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