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Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:32pm
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/can-warcraft-game-skills-help-land-a-job-14078856...


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Can 'World of Warcraft' Game Skills Help Land a Job?
Some Job Seekers Add Experiences on Role-Playing Platform to Résumés, LinkedIn
 
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A handful of job seekers are listing achievements in videogames such as the role-playing platform "World of Warcraft" on their résumés or LinkedIn profiles, betting that virtual-world accomplishments will impress hiring managers in real life.
 
"World of Warcraft" players complete quests as warlocks, druids or other class of soldier and battle monsters in a fantasy world, recruiting other soldiers, training team members and developing strategies for missions. Prominent fans include Stephen Gillett, chief operating officer of Symantec Corp. and a former chief information officer at Starbucks Corp.
 
Some players say the game's tasks aren't that different from the duties of the modern office job.
 
That was the view of Heather Newman, who included her Warcraft experience on the résumé that helped land her current job as director of marketing and communications for the University of Michigan's School of Information.
 
In the "Leisure/Volunteer Activities" section of her résumé, Ms. Newman noted that she has managed guilds of as many as 500 people and organized large-scale raids of 25 to 40 players to complete tasks for several hours four to five days a week. These tasks, she said, "directly apply to the kind of job I hold."
 
Ms. Newman, 43 years old, said she knew some people wouldn't be familiar with the game, but she wanted to highlight how her experience leading volunteers online showed her abilities as an effective communicator and manager in the workplace. Plus, she believed that administrators who make hiring decisions at the technology-focused school would view her game expertise as a sign she would fit with the culture.
 
"I knew that Heather could 'talk geek' and that she would get where many of our students were coming from," said Jeffrey K. MacKie-Mason, dean of the U-M School of Information.
 
John Reed, senior executive director of Robert Half Technology, an information-technology staffing division of the Robert Half recruiting firm, said he has seen few résumés that mention game skills. He added that his clients haven't sought hires with game experience.
 
Nevertheless, Mr. Reed said videogame experience could be a conversation-starter in an interview, although a hiring manager may wonder whether the candidate will be playing games in the office all day. He cautioned gamers to broach the topic "very subtly."
 
 
 
Gamers' ability to accomplish complex tasks across virtual teams could be seen as a plus for some companies.
 
Françoise LeGoues, the former vice president of innovation at International Business Machines Corp., said gamers can thrive at firms like IBM, where employees must collaborate with colleagues anywhere in the world, often without having met in person.
 
"This capability to engage in strategy-building, team-building, knowledge-sharing and problem-solving remotely is really important," said, Ms. LeGoues, currently vice president of transformation at the YAI Network of nonprofits.
 
As he searches for a full-time work, Don Spafford, a 30-year-old electronics engineer from San Antonio, lists his class and guild rank on his résumé along with his role leading raids in "World of Warcraft." That experience, combined with his past job at Norwegian Cruise Lines and six years in the U.S. Navy, proves his abilities as a leader and communicator, he said.
 
"It's a chance to stretch your leadership ability," said Mr. Spafford, pointing to his experience heading teams of easily distracted virtual soldiers on raids. "Sometimes it's like herding cats."
 
Still, hiring managers haven't shown much interest in his game experience, and he acknowledged that the videogame details may be landing his résumé in the reject pile.
 
In online forums, game players worry that touting their hobby will lead others to perceive them as lazy or socially awkward.
 
Peter Morris, a 50-year-old regional sales executive at New York-based analytics software provider Information Builders, is an avid player of "World of Warcraft." But as a former hiring manager, he has warned fellow gamers against putting their game achievements on their résumés.
 
"At the end of the day, it's all make-believe," said Mr. Morris, adding that few recruiters understand how a leader in a fantasy game can be a valuable employee.
 
Mr. Spafford's fiancée, Mary Brenner, a freelance broadcast technician, includes her experience coordinating "World of Warcraft" meet-ups and other events, on some versions of her résumé, but keeps it off for jobs that don't involve event planning.
 
"I would feel uncomfortable with the judgment in a setting where it wouldn't make sense," she said.
 
Dmitri Williams, an associate professor of communications at the University of Southern California, said accomplished players of massively multiplayer online games such as "Dungeons and Dragons Online" and "League of Legends," demonstrate exceptional skills in strategy and team-building.
 
Most gamers use those traits both in and outside the game environment, according to Prof. Williams's research, which focuses on the social and economic impacts of videogames. Many of the prominent gamers he has interviewed are leaders in virtual and real life, such as a young player whose raid-leading experience helped him understand how to succeed in college and the workplace and another gamer who led a guild and went on to manage a game-design studio, later founding one of his own.
 
"There's this misconception that when someone goes in the game that they act like someone else," he said. "The research shows that the game world tends to magnify what's there already."
  
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Last paragraph contradicts the RP in RPG?
  
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And Stoddard is going to explain in his résumé how beeing a community pillar in DDO shows that he is capable of working in a team?

It all depends how you try to sell it to the recruiter.

But in general I aggree with the persons who suggest to be careful with mentioning gaming as your hobby. Because last time I talked to someone in rl the whole gaming and online gaming is still not accepted as a 'good' hobby. So yeah, if you try to show that you have some social skills and are able to lead it might work to use these experience combined with a good explanation and an open minded recruiter. At least if you also mention some other hobbies.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm
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SwashbucklerHater wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:50pm:
And Stoddard is going to explain in his résumé how beeing a community pillar in DDO shows that he is capable of working in a team?

It all depends how you try to sell it to the recruiter.

But in general I aggree with the persons who suggest to be careful with mentioning gaming as your hobby. Because last time I talked to someone in rl the whole gaming and online gaming is still not accepted as a 'good' hobby. So yeah, if you try to show that you have some social skills and are able to lead it might work to use these experience combined with a good explanation and an open minded recruiter. At least if you also mention some other hobbies.


I explain DDO as a hobby this way:

I have spent X amount of $$ in X amount of time. Compare that to the guy with a woodshop who pays 20-100x that just for tools and then more for materials. Plus, with my hobby, I can have my kids enjoy the hobby with me on their computer in my netwrok so they learn how to interact with people online and subsequently in real life. I dont have to go anywhere so Im saving on fuel which helps the environment, Im interacting with my children and keeping an eye on what they are doing online at the same time. Compare that to a guy who builds wooden furniture or cars and is always telling his kids to get out or stay out of his shop.
  

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FakeStrake wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:33pm:
Last paragraph contradicts the RP in RPG?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JOZ6iOK0hc&t=1m56s
  
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FakeStrake wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:33pm:
Last paragraph contradicts the RP in RPG?


No, it just means that if you are a total d-bag asswipe who needs to highlight their insecurities by linking all their gear to everyone without being asked, you are an insecure d-bag asswipe in real life as well.  This is the same person who will probably try to make themselves look better by pointing out what other people are not doing on the job. 
  
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Nuckinfutz wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
I explain DDO as a hobby this way:

I have spent X amount of $$ in X amount of time. Compare that to the guy with a woodshop who pays 20-100x that just for tools and then more for materials. Plus, with my hobby, I can have my kids enjoy the hobby with me on their computer in my netwrok so they learn how to interact with people online and subsequently in real life. I dont have to go anywhere so Im saving on fuel which helps the environment, Im interacting with my children and keeping an eye on what they are doing online at the same time. Compare that to a guy who builds wooden furniture or cars and is always telling his kids to get out or stay out of his shop.


I never had a real discussion about that topic. Don't remember the situations in detail anymore but they started talking about gaming and online gaming in general and come to the conclusion that it's bad because it's not real because it's not in real life.
I don't think it's worth the time to discuss this topic if someone is having this opinion.
  
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Nuckinfutz wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:58pm:
I explain DDO as a hobby this way:

I have spent X amount of $$ in X amount of time. Compare that to the guy with a woodshop who pays 20-100x that just for tools and then more for materials. Plus, with my hobby, I can have my kids enjoy the hobby with me on their computer in my netwrok

Compare that to a guy who builds wooden furniture or cars and is always telling his kids to get out or stay out of his shop.


The carpentry tools I own have been used to make my :
Bed, fence, deck,  dining table, dining chairs, computer desk, doors, wardrobes out door table & chairs, kitchen bench & bookshelves

Sure the materials all cost me money but my wooden furniture looks alot better than anything you'll buy.

Bearing in mind im an electrician by trade ive built lights, speakers, network jacks or sockets into most of what ive built as needed too. Its nice having a well lit bookshelf with wired usb ports charging my phone whilst I sit in the lazy boy next to it reading.

I dont have kids yet, but I grew up in a house where I could watch my dad build things, and when I was young and "helping" he wouldn't wear his tool belt, he'd teach me what tooos were what and have me fetch them for him.  As I grew older he let me start my own projects, I started with a choppig board, progressed to a blanket box, then made my first computer table, then added drawers to it later.

I'll have the same approach as my dad, I wont shoo kids out. Gaming may be cheap, but my trade skills actually increase my net worth. 

As for the social aspect, im currently designing plans for a boat in auto cad atm. When I eventually finish this project and am outside with my friends fishing & skiing.. I'm pretty sure it'll bebetter than socialising on a via a computer.
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 2:42pm
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Sure sure...

Like I put on my typed résumé ( we call that Curriculum Vitae ) 20 years ago that I had a Federal diploma of Alpinism and that I had been in an expedition in Greenland. ( I also did put that I was in Roleplaying Games )

Nothing new to see here. I'm absolutely certain that it's what I got me hired over the 1000ish persons that applied for the 30ish positions that were open. ( actually I'm more certain that it had to do with my Unix knowledge and my year in Coventry than the above )

In some position, things like that might have some importance, but honestly for the mass of the positions it doesn't matter.
  

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SwashbucklerHater wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:50pm:
And Stoddard is going to explain in his résumé how beeing a community pillar in DDO shows that he is capable of working in a team


Why do you have to bash on Stoddard? He is the most dedicated, disciplined and happiest person on Orien I know.

.. Now pillar of the community made me spit out coffee. Smiley
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I once mentioned that I play DDO during my free time during a job interview. They (business owner) asked me what that had to do with the job. I said that their job entailed me staying at a remote location for days (yeah, it's that kind of job) without much entertainment. My source of entertainment did not require me to leave my place/area of work, and that since I had everything I needed with me, it would cost them little to allow me my leisure time without compromising the position.

I got the job.

Which leads me to the story of why I often have to afk for long periods during game times...
  

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Also, if Stod mentions the community pillar thing of DDO, and that he is happy, disciplined, dedicated, and honorable...

Well, that would go well into any politically-related job any time. Or as a "community manager" for Turbine. Basically, any liar liar pants on fire position.
  

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Durk wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 2:44pm:
Why do you have to bash on Stoddard? He is the most dedicated, disciplined and happiest person on Orien I know.

.. Now pillar of the community made me spit out coffee. Smiley


His patience while waiting for the group to fill sure is impressive..
  
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Oh, should I start putting the fact htat I lead 60 fall of truths constantly minimizing my time on my resumé as evidence of my excellent time management skills?

This is fucking stupid, anyone who puts video game experience on a resumé and is disappointed when it lands them in the rejected pile needs to straighten out their priorities in life.
  

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only time I think you shoul dhave gaming experience on your resume is if you are applying for like a video game developer position, because then it's actually relevant to your field.....
  

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kierg10 wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 3:48pm:
Oh, should I start putting the fact htat I lead 60 fall of truths constantly minimizing my time on my resumé as evidence of my excellent time management skills?

This is fucking stupid, anyone who puts video game experience on a resumé and is disappointed when it lands them in the rejected pile needs to straighten out their priorities in life.



I want to be a multi-millionaire (billionaire would be too greedy), just going around the world doing good and playing DDO.
  

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kierg10 wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 3:53pm:
only time I think you shoul dhave gaming experience on your resume is if you are applying for like a video game developer position, because then it's actually relevant to your field.....

Or, like, you know, maybe read the article?
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
Or, like, you know, maybe read the article?


I did.

Sure people who play DDO could show good team building skills and such, but we're still a buncha nerds sitting at our computers doing nothing of any real value.
  

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But if I misread the article then please forgive me your most undeserving fuckwit, I must go on a pilgrimage to rid myself of the shame.
  

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kierg10 wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
I did.

Sure people who play DDO could show good team building skills and such, but we're still a buncha nerds sitting at our computers doing nothing of any real value.

Mostly about how managing personalities, people, and large groups in a game can reflect on real life skills to deal with others and produce desired results while maintaining a positive environment. Micro managing other peoples skills and tendencies and how those can be integrated into a net advantage for everyone involved. You can lead or be lead while adding benefits to a whole and having your weakness minimized from group composition and teamwork.
  

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Mostly about how managing personalities, people, and large groups in a game can reflect on real life skills to deal with others and produce desired results while maintaining a positive environment. Micro managing other peoples skills and tendencies and how those can be integrated into a net advantage for everyone involved. You can lead or be lead while adding benefits to a whole and having your weakness minimized from group composition and teamwork.


Well I apologize oh undeserving fuckwit, because clearly dealing with a bunch of socially inept nerds is a very valid life skill in every work industry where you will have to deal with socially comfortable people!
  

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kierg10 wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
I did.

Sure people who play DDO could show good team building skills and such, but we're still a buncha nerds sitting at our computers doing nothing of any real value.


Yes. Because nerds are so useless at this day and age.
  

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Not just nerds, don't forgot about the fucktards too.
  

Dear players,

The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means.

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kierg10 wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 5:02pm:
Well I apologize oh undeserving fuckwit, because clearly dealing with a bunch of socially inept nerds is a very valid life skill in every work industry where you will have to deal with socially comfortable people!


Not sure what industry you work in or have any office experience....

Nerds rule high paying white collar
Manual labor, back breaking? Guess who
  
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I shall concede the point, that is very true.

All of what you guys and gals said.
  

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