Sasha wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:


Mostly this.  You have to run the raids for the third tier, though.  Tornado idiots are idiots.  If you need tornados, you suck.

Yeahhh, probably not lack.

But if duping wasn't possible there would be way more lfms to run the raids, I don't pug very often but it would've been better for the general population.

Shadehater wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:


Just a general lack of people.

ddofanboy wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:



No. you can complete any quest with or without tornado's it not rocket science.

Tornados are tremendous fun in a bottle.

ddofanboy wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Generally speaking you (idiot) = crybaby. You are the kind of person yelling for anything being p2w or OP, too. Tornados used in groups is the silliest of silly decisions you could make. Why? because nobody sees fucking shit, screen shakes and gives you epileptic seizures.... what bullshit are you talking about destroying the game?

After so many people knowing about duping items now, did you ever consider that the current return of population may be the effect of duping? Like, people actually can play the game in a way they wanted, without the feeling of doing another job?

There is the potential of using tornados in all groups, but in a group of multilifers there is no need to. So much crying from you. Get over it, report the people, if you must but else just shut the fuck up. Jesus, kids these days...crazy...

This was my last fuck I could give to threads like this.

Haven't seen a tornado for a long long time...

Did several Deathwyrm's this morning and no loot dropped at all... This is probably a part of the problem, grinding 20 x 30-45 min raids just to get a named item would put anyone off running it.

Skoodge wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 8:41am:


Some interesting analogies.

I could fully understand them pursuing people with Extreme Prejudice if they "hack" the game.

But 100% of the exploits revealed here operate within the code provided to us - just not used in the way intended.
I understand why they want to deter exploits, but it is interesting how the players are burned at the stake for what is actually sloppy/poor work by Turdbine staff.  Some are fixed quickly, others are fixed eventually and some never fixed.  What are we to make of that then?
Duping has been around for over a month now - what is Turdbine saying to us?   You're very bad if you do it, but we can't be bothered to, or aren't capable of, fixing it.

Ok here's my 100th Mr.Smartass... i'll try to be polite and in simple english for 2 reasons .
a) i can't use more advanced due to my limitations as it's not my mother-language as we call it
b) so that you can understand without been able to provide some kind of semi-serious troll.

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You claim that duping is p2win and that it is destroying in one way or another the game.

Random exploit when level cap was 16 dear funboy...Harry was getting stuck, non-responsive and u could EASILY complete the quest and acquire materials for said greensteel.  Items that even sooo many years later are considered still good enough to be used as leveling tools on heroics and even on epics..  Way more game-breaking than duping fucking tornado bottles. You will need 3 backpacks to kill damn harry on elite with those.

Continuing, let's take the duped ingredients/collectables/cookies etc etc, whatever u can dupe.
Turdbine offers w/o a grain of logic behind it, Overwhelmingly strong materials without a safelock...i am talking about cards. You can create a level 1 toon and even by leveling to 4 - be absolutely legit- u can have free cards. Via Transfers on other servers i was able to acquire like that hundreds of cards,i was getting 100 per day while the event was going on, i had no reason to dupe the fucks, apart from cards like 9+10, also from legit buying from other players i was able to increase my stack of cards daily by the dozens. Thus having access to 50% pots, tornadoes, sup.mnemonic pots etc. Now if u go and dupe 100 of number 10s for example and make 50 huge bags for ur alts is that the game breaking? Cause u have moooar space for crap to loot?...
If i have let's say 5000 of each GS /Alchemical ingredient....will i disturb the for..balance i mean? Hardly in my eyes.

If i dupe all fucking collectables in the game...like 1000 skulls, or the "valuables" eberron dragonshards, oh oops, i already have 50% pots..so 20% are a joke to mention.then..shrines! AHA!, oh cards offered that already...then... Trinket for sp!!! oh ..cards have better..then..Trinkets for CSW!!!!.....get a life.
Maybe the alchemical ritual ones? Fuck off, AH is full'o those and platinum these days has the same value as rocks, no i mean long before duping could make it lose even more of its value.

Cookies aha! now i have unlimited blur..oh wands..last longer...Fireshield..but ..have clickies,pots,scrolls...then the unique ONE Minute  LONG, rage of the 1000 ants or bears..+4 con..or the profane bonus one..oh can't cast coccoon..dying..dead..nice, fuck off...
Ok then, cookies, collectables is meh, and some ingredients also..but new raid stuff!!! Oh people already in Mother forums are flaming about the 0.0000001 drop rates...So u acquired faster the said item than dev's were intented...like 2 years earlier...now u can enjoy the game...oh also find out the bugs the new system had - neg levels on bosses , rememeber?-...

What else did you dupe that changed the balance...wtf did we had any kind of balance before to start with?.....oh unlimited sigil/shield/tapestries..../clap /clap /clap ...

Unlimited augments! Now that was a serious one, u had 1 person buy it from store and then mass produce for the server to have for free... Yeah but u lost the right to claim ur uberness for been the 1st,2nd ...5th ...2000th to have a meridian fragment/golem's heart..oh there was 1 in AH already..or in a guildies backpack....

Unlimited tomes +3 stat/+4 skill...that's bad...u can have +4 swim and listen for all ur toons...noooooo ur barb will become overpowered now....

I still believe although i loved at 1st the idea of the cards, that it was too much too give for free.There should be some limitations...when u could collect EVERYTHING that can be duped by the hundreds in a legit way...just needed to be dedicative on what u r doin.....i fail to see that duping is either pay to win, or affects ur playing hours, playing style, playing partners etc.
IDIOCY on the other hand affects everything above...if u run on an idiot that he is doing shits he deserves to get banned...do that with ur buddies who are similar minded..do not be a dick and play tornado-holic...

All in all, dupe = p2w...hardly..if u know how to play u have nothing to gain from that shit..it's just Convenient to save hours of mindless grind...yes it is p2-not-grind..that it is.
People were able to survive up till now w/o those...those who rely on said items...are trying too hard on an out of limits area - e.e. quests, e.h. quests,raids , bank toons that should stay at marketplace at best etc-.
I am lucky enough to not have seen one of those idiots in any of my pugs, but i would laugh my ass if i saw one...just sit back let em have their fun and if u disagree with their plain stupidity roll on on another stupig filthy pick up group. Do not try to be even more stupid than them and have YOUR way on them...

Enjoy ur day

Someone started spamming tornadoes in an EN Devil Assault run yesterday (I saw it and the leader was looking for tokens, so I am assuming it was not them but the other person, and strangely it happened when their monkcherish build started getting outkilled by my exploiter build with no gear). I have no idea what they actually did apart from shake the screen some, since they seemed to have a lovely knack not to throw them when mobs were about to spawn.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:


https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/168687-The-Exploiter-Ranger-18-Monk-1-...

TractorsareEpic wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

But it's not even exploiting anything?

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

Oh, you sweet summer child. I think itis at least 5 years old. 18 ranger, 1 monk, 1 rogue.

DropBear wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 6:58pm:

This one involves their new pay for space upgrades tab. Which many did. They wont disable those again. And they cant screw up UI any worse. Theyre out of options.

Terebinthia wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Are you hitting on me? How old are you?