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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #25 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 5:51pm
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This is absurd, turbine has no clue what they're doing.  Balancing classes ad hoc through ridiculous item changes?  C'mon turbine devs, if you want to nerf monks then just do so.  Don't tiptoe around the issue, it just makes you look ridiculous.
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #26 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm
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What's your point? Everybody knows they are ridiculous...
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2014 at 9:21pm
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I somehow don't get it why this item would be too overpowered for monkchers but isn't too overpowered for melees. o.O
I mean... this -50 conc also hits melee monks, so monks in general are too overpowered?

Only because most endgame melees splash monk? This probably changes with the prr and mrr changes anyways. o.O

Probably as intelligent as the change to the dice and card cruncher, making them bankable and restrict not bankable items from going into bags. o.O
Or did I miss some important items which are not bankable and go in bags and could be duped this way? o.O
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #28 - Aug 25th, 2014 at 11:50am
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The quiver is still viable, just need to do some work arounds.  I am not sure if there are concentration augments since I never invested in one, but may be time to look for a way to get some extra concentration to offset the -50. 
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #29 - Aug 25th, 2014 at 12:07pm
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Kluege wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 11:50am:
The quiver is still viable, just need to do some work arounds.  I am not sure if there are concentration augments since I never invested in one, but may be time to look for a way to get some extra concentration to offset the -50. 


Yeah there are concentration augments in the game (max is +15 ML 28) and concentration items ofc (+20). So you are still with -30 penalty.

So meh.

Some builds could use it maybe (those with 0 UMD and no yellow bar).
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #30 - Aug 25th, 2014 at 3:31pm
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Yeah, I am not really seeing anything on this that makes it a must have item.  So probably just go with EE poison quiver regardless of the -50.

I will still play with some things on Lam tonight to see how much I can offset the -50.
  
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Reply #31 - Aug 25th, 2014 at 3:50pm
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #32 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 4:20pm
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I tested a few things briefly.  It looks like the best option if you really want to use that quiver is to twist in enlightenment.  Personally, the boots of the innocent offer the same speed bonus with no penalties.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #33 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 12:40pm
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Played with the quiver and some ways around the -50 conc.  I used a +20 item (i think belt of thoughtful remem) and twisted in enligtenment.  I was able to get around 30 base (+0 regen) taking my 78 conc down to 28.

That being said, it is a lot easier to just wear the boots of the innocent and get the same speed bonus.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #34 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 2:16pm
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Yeah, that's why I don't get why Turbine is putting -50 concentration on that item. This affects more builds that monkchers and I don't see that monkchers would be much better off with that quiver. o.O

I mean... is this quiver only meant for pure ranged and melee toons? Every toon who plans to use scrolls from time to time, even if there are still some mobs around, might get problems with this quiver. o.O

And the wiki says the speed bonus would work for ranged only... if ranged toons are bad enough that they deserver to get an additional item slot with useful enhancements... why not just buff this fighting style instead of making sure an item is only useful for very few players who have non monkchers ranged toons. o.O

Really I don't get why someone is putting time into making a quiver with such restrictions... -.-
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #35 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:43pm
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I don't think they often realise the reach of their changes. That's what Lam should be for and perhaps it'll change.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #36 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 4:30pm
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SwashbucklerHater wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 2:16pm:
melee toons?

They took out the melee alacrity from the item. At least from description. i didnt test character sheet or swinging without it and with it.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #37 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 7:53pm
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I say remove the -50 conc, if they really have a bug up their ass about monkchers, make rangers chaotic only.  If I remember right, originally in D&D, rangers were only able to be chaotic anyways.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #38 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:48pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 4:30pm:
They took out the melee alacrity from the item. At least from description. i didnt test character sheet or swinging without it and with it.


Just mentioned melee because the sneak attack might appeal some melees, especially if it really scales with melee power.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #39 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:52pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 4:30pm:
They took out the melee alacrity from the item. At least from description. i didnt test character sheet or swinging without it and with it.

SwashbucklerHater wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:48pm:
Just mentioned melee because the sneak attack might appeal some melees, especially if it really scales with melee power.


the quiver is strictly Ranged Speed as of u23 Build 2. It will have no appeal to melee toons, other than the SA dmg. Which in and of itself is perfect, because quiver is a wasted slot on melee anyhow. That is of course, if they do not code the quiver to proc only on ranged hits, similar to the fury of wild dmg is only on melee hits
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #40 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:35am
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Vendui wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:52pm:
the quiver is strictly Ranged Speed as of u23 Build 2. It will have no appeal to melee toons, other than the SA dmg. Which in and of itself is perfect, because quiver is a wasted slot on melee anyhow. That is of course, if they do not code the quiver to proc only on ranged hits, similar to the fury of wild dmg is only on melee hits


So... it's a Speed XV but only for ranged? Only 15%? I thought it would be at least 20% - 22%. What the fuck is a point of this useless crap?
  
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Reply #41 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:46am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:35am:
So... it's a Speed XV but only for ranged? Only 15%? I thought it would be at least 20% - 22%. What the fuck is a point of this useless crap?

iirc, even with haste, in the character sheet it says 15% for ranged speed.
  
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Re: Lamannia Quiver of Alacrity has -50 concentration
Reply #42 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:53am
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Ohfaq wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:46am:
iirc, even with haste, in the character sheet it says 15% for ranged speed.


Spell maybe providing 15% but Blinding Speed has 22%
  
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