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Aug 30th, 2014 at 2:22pm
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Turdbine must be really desperate for that quick cash,
was it only a month ago last time? It seems that frequency of sales is increasing...
  

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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 2:31pm
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Has it even been a full month?  No wonder they stopped banning people, they're cashing in on it.

You hear that whiny little paladin bitches?  Turbine will make money anyway it can - even off of people cheating.




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Reply #3 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 10:31am
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Skoodge wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 2:31pm:
Has it even been a full month?  No wonder they stopped banning people, they're cashing in on it.

You hear that whiny little paladin bitches?  Turbine will make money anyway it can - even off of people cheating.



Shearly you jest  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 11:59am
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I don't see why they are not in the store permanently.  All it does is create a supply/demand issue in the marketplace.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 12:13pm
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IF they were perm in the store people would ask for otto sales.  Grin
While now they only ask for boxes to come to store.
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I find the current sales a very disturbing indication of the current financial health of the game.  When was the last time that Otto's boxes and double bonus points were on sale *at the same time*?

Let me answer that: never.

The juxtaposition smacks of genuine desperation.
  

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When are +6 tomes coming back. Because they sure as fuck dont drop. Ill have to buy them.. good move turdbine..
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 3:26pm
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Viktor Vaughn wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 12:13pm:
IF they were perm in the store people would ask for otto sales.  Grin
While now they only ask for boxes to come to store.



I had not thought of that, makes perfect sense. 

I wonder why they don't sell +20LR hearts in the store, or occasionally like boxes or tomes.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 31st, 2014 at 3:27pm
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Persiflage wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
I find the current sales a very disturbing indication of the current financial health of the game.  When was the last time that Otto's boxes and double bonus points were on sale *at the same time*?

Let me answer that: never.

The juxtaposition smacks of genuine desperation.


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Hag Master wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 3:27pm:
or while Daily dice 2 X exp


  

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Reply #12 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:12am
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Persiflage wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 3:02pm:
I find the current sales a very disturbing indication of the current financial health of the game.  When was the last time that Otto's boxes and double bonus points were on sale *at the same time*?

Let me answer that: never.

The juxtaposition smacks of genuine desperation.

boxes and points were on sale together during the 4th of july holidays
  



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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 8:57am
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They could offer 4x DDO points and it still costs them the same.  The DDO store is a brilliant way to make money.  It has zero costs at this point and is totally automated.  Any money spent there is a win for them.  The cost for them to give you a pretend currency (Turbine Points) is zero.  The can give you 10 / $1 or a 10,000/ $1 and it still costs them nothing.  You will burn through your points quick enough.  I am sure they also can track how many points are in everyone's accout to determine if they give a double points carrot on a string.  The goal is for you to spend points, not hoard them.    From a financial standpoint, they could care less if they give you 10 ottos boxes for the price of 1, as long as you keep buying points.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:02am
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Skrilla wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 3:04pm:
When are +6 tomes coming back. Because they sure as fuck dont drop. Ill have to buy them.. good move turdbine..

No you don't.
If you do, it's precisely what the thread is about.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:41am
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Kluege wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 8:57am:
They could offer 4x DDO points and it still costs them the same.  The DDO store is a brilliant way to make money.  It has zero costs at this point and is totally automated.  Any money spent there is a win for them.  The cost for them to give you a pretend currency (Turbine Points) is zero.  The can give you 10 / $1 or a 10,000/ $1 and it still costs them nothing.  You will burn through your points quick enough.  I am sure they also can track how many points are in everyone's accout to determine if they give a double points carrot on a string.  The goal is for you to spend points, not hoard them.    From a financial standpoint, they could care less if they give you 10 ottos boxes for the price of 1, as long as you keep buying points.


This is a fairly simplistic view of the situation.
These digital economies can produce currency very cheaply, but there are inflationary effects they have to watch.
If the currency becomes too easy to obtain or too common, then it's purchasing power is devalued.

There is a cost to promotions that you refer to - opportunity cost.
There is a cost to people spending now on discount, and not spending in the future because they have sufficient points and don't need to.

The important part of these digital economies is the balance between supply and demand.  There has to be enough currency sinks to drive activity in purchasing.
Promotions like this need to be enough to stimulate purchases, without disrupting future sales.  The problem with predictable sales cycles is that people mainly purchase only in the sales, which then forces you to have more sales to keep cash flows stable.  It is a vicious declining spiral.  A lot of retailers are trying to break away for the sales cycle strategy.

And there are limits on the system too.
Either someone's budget - they can't spend more because they don't have it.
Or they can't spend enough points - an example being they have bought all they need/want.  This might not be a problem for many, but I know some that don't have anything left to spend TP on, so they don't buy any.

And Boxes are not an unlimited purchase item - you have to be careful no to overdo it.  Not many players would have even 20 TR's in them before they got bored and left.
By being too generous with boxes, you accelerate the player base toward burnout.  In two ways, repetition of content and character power increments each time, so the challenge level diminishes.  Without challenge, there are few psychological hooks to keep you vested in the game.

So you're right in so far as there is little direct cost in having sales, but you are unlikely to see a quadruple bonus points sale ever.
I don't recall a triple points bonus sale since 2011.
They have to get the supply of points right.
And they have to get the demand to spend points right too.  Hence why high demand items aren't available all the time (highest + tomes and boxes).  By making them available for a limited time, creates an artificial demand to buy them just in case, because it won't be available when I really need it.

Economics lesson over. sorry.    Roll Eyes

  
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Reply #16 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:43am
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DropBear wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:41am:
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Reply #17 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:48am
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Sorry Ra, forgot you were back.

TL:DR - yawn.  sales are only good in moderation.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:01am
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DropBear wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:41am:
This is a fairly simplistic view of the situation.
These digital economies can produce currency very cheaply, but there are inflationary effects they have to watch.
If the currency becomes too easy to obtain or too common, then it's purchasing power is devalued.

There is a cost to promotions that you refer to - opportunity cost.
There is a cost to people spending now on discount, and not spending in the future because they have sufficient points and don't need to.

The important part of these digital economies is the balance between supply and demand.  There has to be enough currency sinks to drive activity in purchasing.
Promotions like this need to be enough to stimulate purchases, without disrupting future sales.  The problem with predictable sales cycles is that people mainly purchase only in the sales, which then forces you to have more sales to keep cash flows stable.  It is a vicious declining spiral.  A lot of retailers are trying to break away for the sales cycle strategy.

And there are limits on the system too.
Either someone's budget - they can't spend more because they don't have it.
Or they can't spend enough points - an example being they have bought all they need/want.  This might not be a problem for many, but I know some that don't have anything left to spend TP on, so they don't buy any.

And Boxes are not an unlimited purchase item - you have to be careful no to overdo it.  Not many players would have even 20 TR's in them before they got bored and left.
By being too generous with boxes, you accelerate the player base toward burnout.  In two ways, repetition of content and character power increments each time, so the challenge level diminishes.  Without challenge, there are few psychological hooks to keep you vested in the game.

So you're right in so far as there is little direct cost in having sales, but you are unlikely to see a quadruple bonus points sale ever.
I don't recall a triple points bonus sale since 2011.
They have to get the supply of points right.
And they have to get the demand to spend points right too.  Hence why high demand items aren't available all the time (highest + tomes and boxes).  By making them available for a limited time, creates an artificial demand to buy them just in case, because it won't be available when I really need it.

Economics lesson over. sorry.    Roll Eyes



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EDIT: not that feelings has anything to do with something as tested and proven as economics but hey
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Reply #19 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:42am
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FuckThisShit wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:01am:
if i ever needed more proof on why i respect you i got it now Cheesy
these are my feelings on the subject to the dot
EDIT: not that feelings has anything to do with something as tested and proven as economics but hey

damn..
now we'll need a 4th unbiased and independant party to verify it.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:55am
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Ohfaq wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:42am:
damn..
now we'll need a 4th unbiased and independant party to verify it.


Yay!
I wondered what it take for that meme to wear out....
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Reply #21 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 6:07am
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oh, plz
you were the vault's celebrity of the last month.
i'm pretty sure that thaz, factor, lvice and the other vaultie girls are fapping to your n00ds atm!
and ollie will be dying in a corner out of jealousy
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 6:14am
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Ohfaq wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 6:07am:
oh, plz
you were the vault's celebrity of the last month.
i'm pretty sure that thaz, factor, lvice and the other vaultie girls are fapping to your n00ds atm!
and ollie will be dying in a corner out of jealousy


Celebrity?   Infamy more like it.
Shit I better check my iCloud account and remove those errrm artistic shots....
Embarrassed
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DropBear wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 6:14am:
Celebrity?   Infamy more like it.
Shit I better check my iCloud account and remove those errrm artistic shots....
Embarrassed

too late buddy, you cant stop the fappening
  



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Reply #24 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:37am
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FuckThisShit wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 9:25am:
too late buddy, you cant stop the fappening


Damn, I told Bar not to take those pics of us, but she insisted .... and well you know how headstrong those supermodels are....
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