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Goon Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2014	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #25 - Sep 8^th, 2014 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	90+ stun = I'd buy that for a dollar.


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #26 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:11am	Print Post
	FakeStrake wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Anyone test/try if tier 5 Shield Rush gives a movement/animation boost? Sort of like a mini "leap of faith/wings"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qzuLlV8KbQs#t=2238


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Limpgimp Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2012	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #27 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 4:29am	Print Post
	FakeStrake wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Anyone test/try if tier 5 Shield Rush gives a movement/animation boost? Sort of like a mini "leap of faith/wings"? It does, spiffy animation too. T4 is also wing like, but you need to have a mob targeted, so kinda hard to use like wings. It's a pretty nice tree in theory, but the animations are kinda wonky. The effective dps is far from jaw dropping from my (very limited) testing.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #28 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 4:40am	Print Post
	Limpgimp wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 4:29am: It's a pretty nice tree in theory, but the animations are kinda wonky. The effective dps is far from jaw dropping from my (very limited) testing. It should be far from jaw dropping, it's a god damn sword and board tree.


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #29 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 4:50am	Print Post
	Nothing worth taking till tier 4 and then that is still not so good...A tree that is only Tier 5's is not a good tree. Nerfs to the Harper tree are pretty rought too.


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Limpgimp Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2012	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #30 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 6:02am	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 4:50am: Nothing worth taking till tier 4 and then that is still not so good...A tree that is only Tier 5's is not a good tree. Nerfs to the Harper tree are pretty rought too. Stunning shield thing has an obscene DC (103 and I was far from perfect). deflect arrows is nice to have 6 prr/mrr and 9 melee power could be kept indefinitely in theory shield crit range and +damage stunning dc Harper is quite shitty after the changes indeed. NOTdarth wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 4:40am: It should be far from jaw dropping, it's a god damn sword and board tree. Times are changing.


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Dargon Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 268 Joined: Jan 10^th, 2014	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #31 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:02am	Print Post
	Yea, changes to Harper made me completely disinterested. 9 ap for 9 MP? Nope. Investing up to t3 for INT to dmg? Nope. Ah well.


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #32 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:09am	Print Post



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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #33 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:29am	Print Post
	Limpgimp wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 6:02am: [quote] Stunning shield thing has an obscene DC (103 and I was far from perfect). See above about only one good thing in Tier 4/ and a destiny only being useful for a tier 5. Quote: deflect arrows is nice to have 6 prr/mrr and 9 melee power could be kept indefinitely in theory shield crit range and +damage stunning dc Nice but hardly worth the points considering their location in the tree as well as their built in limitations. The stunning DC is pretty low hanging in there, but I haven't seen a real stun build in ages now. Quote: Harper is quite shitty after the changes indeed. Yeeeeep.


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Limpgimp Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2012	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #34 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:29am: See above about only one good thing in Tier 4/ and a destiny only being useful for a tier 5. Nice but hardly worth the points considering their location in the tree as well as their built in limitations.� The stunning DC is pretty low hanging in there, but I haven't seen a real stun build in ages now. Yeeeeep. Stunning shield is T2, you probably meant shield charge from T4? Anyway, my point was that while not breath taking, there are actually useful abilities to take, unlike some trees where you have to dump points in utter shit to get to a higher tier.


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #35 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:41am	Print Post
	Oh no you are right. Its not a ver good tree, but it is far far better than a quite a few currently designed trees.


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Goon Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2014	Re: Vanguard tree Reply #36 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	It may be a bug, but I tested Armored Strength and it gave MP without requiring a Shield. In theory, if you wanted to forgo nearly all racial Enhancements and nearly all Sacred Defender Enhancements you could get 10 MP from T5 Vanguard (32 AP) and 10 MP from KotC Capstone (41 AP). I tried it on Lammania and the DPS was nice, but was missing defense.


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