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missed the blitz
Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:19pm
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Frig they really took the nerf stick to blitz.

I thought the whole point of this update to melee/ranged power was to "bring up the other EDs to the level of master's blitz" according to the devs...

OR, we could just lower blitz down to measly again, and then it'd be no issue.

really a 10% chance that your gonna stack a blitz per hit.

I did a quick test in VON 3 this morning.  when your 1-3 hitting mobs on eH, you are only getting a stack of blitz ONCE every 4-10 mobs...  serious serious nerf.  used to be every kill.

and thats ONLY if you get good dice and make that 10% roll.  as every arcane knows, 10% failure can be a bitch right when you need it.  heh.

during VON 3 this AM I did 2 blitzes, and got neither above 4.   mowed through the quest on eH in something like 13 minutes.  first blitz burned out before I got to the first shrine.   second blitz started at the room with the last shrine, and didnt even make it to the beholder boss.  I was trashing dozens of mobs, making hundreds of swings, and never saw a blitz above 4.


This is now a useless capstone for any serious melee.  from the absolute best to the worst.

funny Pally went the other way Smiley

but seriously.   decrease the damage output perhaps, (which they did anyways) reduce the amount of melee power LD can have because blitz is OP (ya they did that too) but then ALSO make it impossible for any toon other than a cleric doing 20 damage per swing on EE be able to get a stack of 10 going.

stupid.

I used to spend 4 minutes prepping a blitz before popping.

Now Im gonna pop a blitz and spend 4 minutes with a scroll in my hand trying to land as many punches as possible WITHOUT killing anything to get my blitz prepped.

this is dumb dumb classic turdbine action.


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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #1 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:32pm
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #2 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:36pm
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Blitz is phenomenal now on throwers however. Can maintain 10 stacks with little trouble
  
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #3 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:39pm
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ya I made my swashbuckler around LD and blitz.  unless I figure out how to make it work now its gonna be back to the drawing board.

getting 9k crits on stunned mobs with a handaxe was jokes. 

gonna miss it
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:42pm
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havent tried it yet on live. last time on lama against kobolds that do not die, i failed a few times to even get a single stack. That was on a swf toon at 45 atk speed, haste boosted, and doublestrike at 30%.
  

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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #5 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:28pm
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The fact that an epic moment can be kept so long while others only last a few seconds longer is quite dumb...
Don't take it bad I like it, but it should be just a moment just like the others... a single-instant-hyperdestructive strike or few seconds in demigod mode...


And yes... the damage nerf was unnecessary...
  
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #6 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:35pm
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This is the problem when turbine nerfs, they make it useless on 90% of chars.
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #7 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 4:08pm
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Vendui wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:36pm:
Blitz is phenomenal now on throwers however. Can maintain 10 stacks with little trouble

Awesome.  Proof the chuckers suck.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 4:09pm
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ya my toon is a SWF swashbuckler with 45% alacrity and 40% doublestrike.   

and still getting 1 or 2 stacks per 20 mobs.  on eH.

Turdbine powercreeps the mobs until only a VERY high end toon can solo even trash stuff.   trash mobs with 10-15k hp and whatnot.

if your doing 100 damage per swing...  thats over 100 swings to take down a mob.   just stupid.

blitz was the one stop ED for melee builds.  but now its looking like its gonna be divine crusader, or just take your spikes with fury or something.

I was just beginning to have fun with a melee toon again with the swashbuckler.  now done get my wrong, there still LOTS to love about it, and the playability was great.  but with blitz it was just gravy.   super fun to play, group with or solo.   annoying that its gone.
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 4:12pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 2:42pm:
havent tried it yet on live. last time on lama against kobolds that do not die, i failed a few times to even get a single stack. That was on a swf toon at 45 atk speed, haste boosted, and doublestrike at 30%.


This is a perfect example of why Blitz is now broken. For someone running the fastest available attacking speed to not be able to build and keep it means they screwed up their goal of "balancing the power nerf with making it more sustainable."

Also the OP's example of taking on 4-10 mobs at a time swinging super fast and not getting procs. Ridiculous.
  
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #10 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 10:57pm
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I'll try with twf later and see how it goes.

Anyways, it might be better on EE, since the mobs have more hp.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:37am
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Hiding wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 10:57pm:
I'll try with twf later and see how it goes.

Anyways, it might be better on EE, since the mobs have more hp.


Ran all the new stuff on ee yesterday and never got my stack above 3 once.. On the beholder boss.. Useless crap.

This was on a acrobat with full thf line and a load of double strike.
  
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #12 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 1:46am
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Don't worry guys, it's just a simple bug, Turbine will fix it soon!


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Reply #13 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 3:04am
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I was running ee necro 4 on my cetus yes, and I had no problems at all with blitz. I easily got the stack up to 10, and was critting like every other hit. Well, except when I was knocked on my ass or stunned by the casters in Fleshmaker's. As long as I had something to hit, I could keep blitz up, and I really like how you now can keep it up on bosses too.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 5:01am
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On a 16/2/2 monk I could easily keep blitz up in EE and while fighting a boss I could see my 10th charge renewing every 7-9 seconds.

Given I do like to dive into a cluster of mobs and hit whirlwind.
  
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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #15 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 5:17am
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new blitz is for nubz

l2p nubz
  

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Re: missed the blitz
Reply #16 - Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:59pm
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There are no words to describe how absolute BS it is what turbine did to nerf blitz.  Shitty players complain about casters ruining their blitzes instead of just learning to be better players and this is what happens.
Yes it makes boss fights easier.
Yes the loading of a blitz was retarded.
Still you could just learn to be a better player or work with your group and get your blitz up to 10 going into a boss fight and even on EE it still wouldn't be down to 5 by the time the fight was over if you built your toon even half decent. 
Thanks for completely taking the challenge and fun out of one of the most addicting aspects of the game you fucking fucktards.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 3:26am
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Trainwreck wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
There are no words to describe how absolute BS it is what turbine did to nerf blitz.  Shitty players complain about casters ruining their blitzes instead of just learning to be better players and this is what happens.
Yes it makes boss fights easier.
Yes the loading of a blitz was retarded.
Still you could just learn to be a better player or work with your group and get your blitz up to 10 going into a boss fight and even on EE it still wouldn't be down to 5 by the time the fight was over if you built your toon even half decent. 
Thanks for completely taking the challenge and fun out of one of the most addicting aspects of the game you fucking fucktards.


So much butthurt about the fucking blitz. How about you fucking learn to play the game and stop fucking whining?
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 8:00am
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Angry wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 3:26am:
So much butthurt about the fucking blitz. How about you fucking learn to play the game and stop fucking whining?


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Reply #19 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:01am
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I don't understand the problem with blitz.  Yes it was nerfed, but do your builds really depend on it that much to see so much difference in your toons?  My DPS went down a bit, but nothing to cry over
  
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Reply #20 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:25am
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ThE PhAnTOM GoD wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:01am:
I don't understand the problem with blitz.  Yes it was nerfed, but do your builds really depend on it that much to see so much difference in your toons?  My DPS went down a bit, but nothing to cry over


If you could keep it going through an entire quest before but cannot stack it now I'd say your dps went down to about 50% of pre u23.. that's quite a bit imo..

I was actually looking forward to the change but it just seem more broken now
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:29am
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Found an easy way to get blitz charges.  Gather about 10 trash mobs.  Throw about 10 tornadoes at them.  Each "tic" counts as a "hit".  Each "hit" has a 10% chance of procing a charge.  I was able to build a 10 stack almost instantly.
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Reply #22 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:34am
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Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:29am:
Found an easy way to get blitz charges.  Gather about 10 trash mobs.  Throw about 10 tornadoes at them.  Each "tic" counts as a "hit".  Each "hit" has a 10% chance of procing a charge.  I was able to build a 10 stack almost instantly.


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Reply #23 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:36am
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Ugg the Unwise wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:25am:
If you could keep it going through an entire quest before but cannot stack it now I'd say your dps went down to about 50% of pre u23.. that's quite a bit imo..

I was actually looking forward to the change but it just seem more broken now


I haven't had any issues with stacking blitz, and that is on a two handed fighter.  Not to mention after U23 my base damage went up about 80 points a swing on the first number. 

It may not be what it was, but with all the changes implemented it worked out just fine.
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 1st, 2014 at 11:12am
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The increase in dps from melee power is definite. On lama, I checked it out, and I seem to recall my build (dunno whether it was Dwarf Swasher or some Pally build) seeming to have a bit higher dps in blitz than (some other destiny, probably DC).

On live, I can now take out most trash mobs pretty easily with just my norm dps, and a pair of cleaves (dwarf swash). Haven't personally tried blitzing on live because working primal for ePL/ECompletionist. But I expect to have a number of frustrating instances of my blitz not building.

For those above who have had it build no problem, that happens. It's 10% chance. You can also have it not build at all. Just because it worked for you each time doesn't mean the many experiences of it not building didn't suck and didn't happen.

Figured out using Tornadoes to build blitz in u22 to compensate for casters. Definitely will be helpful still with these changes.
  
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