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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Going over available option on vorpals. I cant seem to think of much besides Thunderstruck, Manslayer, Reign, 3rd Degree Burns, or Burning Emptiness. Out of those options I'd say Burning Emptiness is the best value because it has a separate on crit effect. But it's limited in thunderholme and necro 4 due to neg damage. 3rd Degree Burns would be better suited for the newest content. Both Thunderforged abilities are solely for bosses because Mortal Fear>>any of that cutesy crap. Manslayer is hard for me to slot and give up space for. Same goes for Thunderstruck. Both seem underwhelming anyhow. What other abilities am I missing.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #1 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	Balanced attacks on 19/20 was fucking amazing in wolf form on lam. Also It should be good for assassins and capstone ninja spies.
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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #2 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	Oh? Could swear Balanced Attacks did not work for me when I tested on Lam... Hmm, I'll have to test that again when I reach the required level.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #3 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 9:54pm	Print Post
	I dropped PSWF from my Swashbuckling Bard for Lasting Inspiration. Much better choice IMO.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #4 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:44pm	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm: Oh? Could swear Balanced Attacks did not work for me when I tested on Lam... Hmm, I'll have to test that again when I reach the required level. Balanced Attacks is legit.

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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #5 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:44pm: Balanced Attacks is legit. I meant the doubled vorpal range from PSWF. Was pretty sure I tried killing those kobolds on Lam with it and Balanced Attacks only ever worked on a 20 with or without it.


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Darkchampion Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: May 25^th, 2014	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #6 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:59pm	Print Post
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #7 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11am	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58pm: I meant the doubled vorpal range from PSWF. Was pretty sure I tried killing those kobolds on Lam with it and Balanced Attacks only ever worked on a 20 with or without it. Ah. I defer to Munk.

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Ah Pook Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 314159265 Posts: 1439 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2014	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #8 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:00am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 9:54pm: I dropped PSWF from my Swashbuckling Bard for Lasting Inspiration. Much better choice IMO. Even on a melee? Huh. I don't remember the last time I ran out of songs... Different vorpals stack though. It can do pretty nutty damage 10% of the time.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #9 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:47am	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58pm: I meant the doubled vorpal range from PSWF. Was pretty sure I tried killing those kobolds on Lam with it and Balanced Attacks only ever worked on a 20 with or without it. i loved balanced attacks when i did my swf druid life on my bard. Worked on 19 and 20 like a charm.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #10 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:04am	Print Post
	Ah Pook wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:00am: Different vorpals stack though.� It can do pretty nutty damage 10% of the time. Yeah, this is what I tested tonight. Manslayer, Thunderstruck, Burning Emptiness for 220-330 damage on vorpals. Had to give up a few 10/11 stat items for it and slotted +8 augments instead.
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gawker Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #11 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 6:34am	Print Post
	Sometimes I think perfect SWF might be OP, but man do I love it. Especially when matched with greater's attack speed.
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #12 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Ah Pook wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 1:00am: Even on a melee?� Huh.� I don't remember the last time I ran out of songs... I didn't take it for the 3 extra bard songs...

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Sterling Archer Lurkerino Korthos Resident Offline Thanks for nothing, Carol! Posts: 21 Location: Chile Joined: Sep 29^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #13 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	for me works perfectly but it's hard to tell if perfect twf feat it's better. Maybe someone have the calcs?

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doubleBs Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 52 Joined: Jul 17^th, 2014	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #14 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	Its preety good for the level 18 paladin core you mentioned in a build thread, but thats undead specific. Either way an extra 5% chance of 500 damage equates to an extra 25 damage a swing vs undead, not to shabby but I dont really see better alternatives to PSWF myself.


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Sterling Archer Lurkerino Korthos Resident Offline Thanks for nothing, Carol! Posts: 21 Location: Chile Joined: Sep 29^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #15 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	doubleBs wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 3:39pm: Its preety good for the level 18 paladin core you mentioned in a build thread, but thats undead specific. Either way an extra 5% chance of 500 damage equates to an extra 25 damage a swing vs undead, not to shabby but I dont really see better alternatives to PSWF myself. the Ptwf? the double strike? no?

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doubleBs Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 52 Joined: Jul 17^th, 2014	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #16 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	you get 2 feats, i take PTWF and pswf if SWF. Otherwise i go PTWF and elusive target.


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Sterling Archer Lurkerino Korthos Resident Offline Thanks for nothing, Carol! Posts: 21 Location: Chile Joined: Sep 29^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #17 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	doubleBs wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 4:23pm: you get 2 feats, i take PTWF and pswf if SWF. Otherwise i go PTWF and elusive target. what a noob i'm did not know that you can get the two feats, thanks for the feed back

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doubleBs Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 52 Joined: Jul 17^th, 2014	Re: Is Perfect Single Weapon Fighting Really Worth It? Reply #18 - Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 6:10pm	Print Post
	Sterling Archer Lurkerino wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2014 at 4:40pm: what a noob i'm did not know that you can get the two feats, thanks for the feed back � Your welcome! Happy to help!


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