Viktor Vaughn wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:


About as long as designing a dozen new multi-layered pointless ship hulls?
Or as long as designing a ginormous spacious hall for heroes that serves no necessary purpose?
Or as long as designing a gigantic mother fracking wilderness area that people only run once.
Hey, I like this game! 
Ooh-ooh, I have another one....
As long as designing say semi-pointless enhancement trees that few can use when others are desperately needed.
There must be more....   

EE Tomb of the Tormented!

Flav wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 7:14am:


Just spitballing here, but what if your weapon crafting worked this way:

The base item is created with shroud crafting.  GS Blank.  Apply Mats to make it up to shroud T3.

Then MA doesn't drop blank alchems.  LoB/MA drop mats that take a T3 GS as the base item.  And enhance it from there.

Then Thunderholme doesn't craft base items.  it takes a T3 Alchem item as a base item.  And enhances it from there.

Then Epic Vale/Shroud takes a tier 3 Thunderholme weapon as it's base item and enhances it from there.

What would be the downside to a progression based crafting system like that?

Do the same with armor starting with Dragontouched Armor from Reaver's Reach.  Then using those as input for the Epic GH dragon Armors.   Then Going to Thunderholme armor on top of that. 

A power progression that grows.  Old stuff isn't really invalidated.  It's just enhanced.  But if you need to do a new item, you still have to run the progression.

Revaulting wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 10:53am:


Lol.  Probably Not.  It would get pretty involved. 

Would be interesting as well if other epic items had progressions.  What if the Epic Red Dragon Helm from E-Von6 could be upgraded in eGH.  Combining it with White or Black or Blue scales (or all 3) plus some CoH would yield 4 different resulting helms with different abilities and move the ML to 25.  Same with the Red Dragon Armor from eVon and MoTU and the Green Armor.  Could create some value multiple packs as well as some unique loot combinations to support a larger variety of builds.  I just think that a unified system where items grow vs. getting replaced might be a better path. 

And simplifying the ingredients involved.  Why can't Commendations (Villager,Druid,Cleric,PDK, etc) be converted to CoV and vice versa (With some loss/inefficency) and be converted into CoH and vice versa (Again with some inefficiency).  And work in Tokens of the twelve.  So it's not a bunch of separate things, but unified.  (If you really needed to go the route of having all this different stuff in the first place). 

To me, it makes sense to fix the lack of cohesiveness and the duping in one step.  Make it work like money.  It seems like CoV are the least valuable, then Commendations, then Tokens, then heart seeds, then CoH.  So treat them like copper, silver, gold and plat.  Don't even store them in bags.  Just add them to your count in inventory when you get them in a chest and use them when you do something.  Let them auto-convert as needed.   10 CoV = 1 Patron Commendation.  10 Patron Commendations = 1 Heart Seed.  10 Heart Seeds = 1 CoH. 

Convert Tokens of the 12 in at the rate of 1 Token Fragment = 1 Cov.  1 Token = 1 Heart Seed.  1 Greater Token = 5 Heart Seeds.   

Keep your costs in line on the sale side.  1 Epic Heart or Iconic Heart = 4 CoH/4000 CoV (or token fragments.  aka 40 Tokens).  1 TR Heart = 2 CoH/2000 CoV (aka 20 Tokens).

Would allow you to grind your hearts in Eberron or in Faerun.  With equal valuation. 

They cant even  put in simple exchange 1000 ing for something else.
Or in crafting, I put in 1k greater essences, I have to put up a macro to make lesser ones because I would go crazy clicking that many times.

Flav wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:


Fuck you mournlands saw it long before the fucking council and most of the changes they were willing to make was in that time.

If it ain't got harpys you pileons havent touched it.

Nor are they ever gonna give a shit about system consolidation. 

When does this councils term end?  I

Flav wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 7:14am:


Greensteel Augments.  This problem has already been solved for you.

Revaulting wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 10:53am:


This

Bigjunk wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:


That has been mentioned...

Viktor Vaughn wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:46am:


Common sense is a misnomer.

The problem with vale->MA/LoB->ToDW/FoTP->epic vale crafting would be that epic vale is useless unless you also have 2 other packs. Yeah epic vale is part of vale so you still got the base item, but currently if you start with DDO and don't want to be ViP you have complete freedom which packs you buy and which to delay to another time when you have money again to spend on the game.
This kind of crafting system would force you to buy the packs one after the other in the right order and probably heroic TR several times before you are able to buy all the packs to get the first epic item of the end of this crafting chain.

Yeah, it would be nice from the perspective of someone who is already playing for 2years+ and owns all packs anyways (or is a VIP). But it doesn't fit to the core F2P game design of ddo, that you can buy the packs you want and most packs don't require other packs to work.

And if Turbine should really one time consider this kind of crafting chain... I bet no one in the vault will be happy with the result that very likely involves a new level of grind to finish an item...

Why is Thaz discussing sex in the middle of a crafting system discussion?

SwashbucklerHater wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:59am:


So your argument against it would be that: in order to have the best weapons in the game you would have to own 3 adventure packs or be VIP.  And that is too burdensome for someone who wants to play an MMO to level cap?  I'm not sure that I really care about the best weapons at level cap needing to be accessible to someone who doesn't want to spend more than 15 dollars worth of TP to play.  I'm OK with that player running around with substandard weapons.  We aren't talking about needing to invest more than 30 bucks.  That's half the price of a typical new release console game.  And that's assuming you don't grind out some of your TP or trade some loot for some TP.  All of which is possible.

Can we dispense with the notion that the best loot in the game has to be accessible to the lowest common denominator? 

As for grind, I get that everybody wants to have the best loot NOW and that the last two major releases gave the best quickly.  eGH saw everyone running around in dragon armor the first weekend due to poor drop rate design by Turbine.  Thunderholme gave everyone easy items (Due more to duping than design by Turbine).  But then everyone quickly bitches that there is nothing to do and that all the noobs have the cool stuff too.  Can't have it both ways.  There is a balance to be struck from boredom because it's too easy and frustration because it takes too long.