Well, guys, I will admit I am kind of a lurker here for along time. Posted very few times.

Well, I'm 32 years old and I remember AND enjoyed table D&D and AD&D, my weekends as a teen were basically rusumed to D&D, Gurps and Shadowrun, well, to the point...

Is this game really not flavour build friendly? what the best and whats the worst? and Im not a purist in like, "A perfect flavour build has to be pure class, no mix".

And last but not least, having flavour builds that suck so bad, isnt it bad for the game? doesn't it kinda push some players away? what yall think?

naarwen wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:32am:


I think you're confusing the game with the players. Among the community, ppl tend to favor high dps toons (or possibly cc), so, if your flavor build can't keep up, you'll be considered a waste of a party slot. If you're a flower sniffer who just wants to run around wildernesses, I don't think it really matters what kind of build you play.

It depends a bit on what and how much „flavor“ you are looking for.” Pacifist dragon marked halfling clerics that will only heal “or “elven maidens that will only sing a bard’s song and dance around” may have a hard time in non-roleplaying groups or soloing dungeons.

But apart from that kind of toon most things can be built to work in epic hard and everything “below”. Like a greatclub wielding drow barbarian, hammer tossing halflings, axing dwarven artificer, ninja builds with shuricans and whirling blades, all kind of rogish builds like stealthy mage, trapping crossbow bard, or sneak attacking wolf druid. And any race can be built to use  any specialization of magic, as long as you took some all-around spells with you, like haste, blur, firewall, the DOTs’s, otto’s irresistible dance and some others.  Even if you dump the main stat on a spellcaster for melee options or whatnot you can still use a lot of spells without DC’s and hardly anyone will complain (as long as you stay out from the “bring your A-game” kind of groups.

Just follow 3 simple rules:
•      Ad something useful to a group to make up for the dungeon scaling you cause, like being able to kill stuff somehow or crowd control
•      Have some reliable way to get your hitpoints back when you got hit
•      At least a medium investment in hitpoints, most players cringe when they see very low HP toons.

Here is a question that OP should also consider:

"Is there a server that is more welcoming to flavor builds?"

Flavor builds can work.  Some do not, like an INT based sorc (for the Spell Power boost) or a CON based Ranger (if some HP is good, more is better?).  If you keep the build focused there is nothing you cannot do.

I had a friend that would recreate Forgotten realms people from novels.  He made a Drizst Do'Orden (sp), Wolfgar, Buenar(sp) and a Catibree(sp).  They were okay and could survive most content.

Half my toons are flavor builds, they still hold up fine.  You're not as powerful as the FoTM but you're about 90% there.

It's a game of inches.

Revaulting wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:24am:

It was right out of the books.  Barb, Ranger, Fighter.  On paper it was meh, but to play along side, not terrible.

I have two sets of characters; my "mains" and my "flavor builds." Every now and again, something crosses over from flavor to main, because it just happened to work out.

For example, I wanted to build the perfect staff monk, so I rolled up a bladeforged 12 monk/5 rogue/3 FVS. Sounds awful, right? Well, its DPS is 2nd only to my monkcher, trap skills are good for EH, and the self-heals haven't run out so far. The clerics aren't wild about it when I tank, b/c my heal amp is nothing to write home about, but it's never been an issue, and I haven't been tanking much since Palis got supercharged, anyway.

Then there are the ones that just got stuck: 14 bard/4 arti/2 rogue (throwing swash w/ runearm) did not work out as well as I had hoped; 9 druid/9 monk/2 fighter worked just fine, but it was boring; 13 cleric/6 paladin/1 fighter was looking good, but then the Pali changes meant that I really only need 3 levels in it, and I had just TR'd; 8 fighter/6 ranger/6 monk centered khopesh user had just gotten to 20 when they changed the feat requirements for OC, so I need to TR that char yet again (8 fighter/6 paladin/6 monk?).


My mains are typically more conventional: Unarmed monk (fighter/ranger splash, atm, but may go back to pure next life), monkcher (12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter), staff monk (above), and a pure paladin.


I'm trying to build a light tank, right now, but evasion, DPS and *RR are really hard to put together.

Flavor build does not have to mean hopeless character.  It can, but really shouldn't as it will significantly impact your enjoyment of the game.]

Even my fighter wizard thief elf does fine now that I have epic destiny's to heal myself lol.