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deception + improved deception
Oct 10th, 2014 at 2:10pm
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do these work synergystically?
  

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Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 2:16pm
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Yes.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:52pm
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Nokowi tested it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a6L1zL56SI&list=UUgjCKLGi8kMIzg2BtiojRfg, guy seems to know his shit about rogues.
I definitely notice Ring of Deceit + something like Agony or Rebellion on my twf melees.
Ring of Deceit + Masque at 28 not so much.
  
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Re: deception + improved deception
Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:00pm
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Wipe wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
Nokowi tested it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a6L1zL56SI&list=UUgjCKLGi8kMIzg2BtiojRfg, guy seems to know his shit about rogues.
I definitely notice Ring of Deceit + something like Agony or Rebellion on my twf melees.
Ring of Deceit + Masque at 28 not so much.


I know an item + a weapon can both proc a deception check.

Would like to see if Deception Item+Weapon and Improved Deception Item+Weapon would have 4x the chance to proc, add in the Tier 4 Harper Thing for 5x chance for Deception to proc.

Ring of Lies + Improved Deception Khopesh the mob very rarely if ever turns around.

Ring of House Avithoul + Imp Dec Khop the same.

House Avithoul Ring alone is pretty good on a Hasted TWF Tempest.  I get Sneak Attacks on just about every mob that lives past the first 2 or 3 seconds.
  

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Re: deception + improved deception
Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:38pm
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May sound like a n00b, but gonna ask

What is the proc?  A bluff?

Don't mobs become immune to bluff if you bluff them too much?
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:48pm
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so backstabbers gloves and ring of lies (deception + improved deception) should both do their own procs effectively doubling proc rate.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:49pm
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the proc just turns the mob around, and leaves it vulnerable to sneak attacks.  Helpful single mob CC, especially versus red-names.  it acts as a bluff, but has its own mechanic it seems.
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:05am
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There was a discussion on this in a thread about HHoE. I don't know if the triple-spin thing is still going on, but if it is you'll get better info from others here via PM.
  

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