Wipe wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 11:09am:



It's not PC members...
We have no voice when it comes to the Future of DDO... We can just nudge it here and there when we have an epidermic reaction to things we see.
( like things that will remain unsaid about the Harper's Tree for example )

Once again we are just a panel of players that is asked to look at and give feedback on ideas that can potentially be inserted in future updates.

In some case, we form a cohesive enough block against that idea and it can eventually gets dropped [ until next year ]... in other cases we form a cohesive enough block for the idea that it all blocks gets removed and it's implemented as fast as possible [typical example : Mirrors of Glamering ]. In other cases we are just like the rest of the forum, we nitpick, go off topic, start to ask for things that have absolutely no relation to the idea Turbine wants feedback on... and last there's all the cases where we are split, and where Turbine does as they want.

Meh.  It's an imperfect system.  What do you expect?  Just like the Devs are people with pet projects/priorities, so are the PC members.  And, at the end of the day they are just an advisory board.  Not the final decision makers.

Barkabout wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

LOL!

If heal amp gets the same treatment as dodge and exceptional skill bonuses I'm all for it.

As the system stands the devs can't reasonably introduce higher value heal amp items without dire consequences.

Imo feats/buffs/ED's are fine and introduced much more slowly to the game, so only looking only at changing the stacking from equipment bonuses is necessary:

Break gear into categories:
Enhancement  - only the highest is applied
Insight       -  only the highest is applied
Exceptional - stacks with different values
Profane - only the highest is applied
Unique - stacks

Once that's done, keep the system with: buffs * enhancements * pastlife feats * gear.  You've given yourself a lot of room for freedom with gear which should be enough, changing how every thing stacks may lead to serious nerfs.

Currently in game (from items only):
Normal builds :have a max potential of - 10*20*30  = 71.6% boost
Firestance jidz tet ka builds : 10*20*25*30 = 114.5% boost
Full retard fleshmakers firestance jidz tet ka heal amp builds: 110base * 10 * 20 * 25 * 30 = 135.9% boost

My proposal (from items only):
Normal builds: drop to 60% 
Jidz tet ka builds: would also drop to 60%, so  I'd say it's reasonable to type the jidz tet ka bonus seperately to normal gear. 1.6*1.25 = 100% boost, only a small nerf for now
Full retard fleshmakers firestance jidz tet ka heal amp build: The fleshmakers bonus is currently a unique benefit ingame, so there should be no need to change it, meaning 1.1base * 1.6 * 1.25 =120% boost.


A system like this would allow for better graded healing amp items to be introduced. Then provided jidz tet ka and fleshmakers stay unique the nerf post patch would be minimal. Once the devs introduce a Heal amp VII item (70%) all builds would be very close to their current max later Heal amp VIII would put them ahead slightly, allowing the devs could carry on with incremental bonuses without fear.

People may cry initially, but whilst we have to make do (lol) with a 60% max from enhancement bonuses, we've also freed up the slots we used to spend on our old 10/20 items. That should be more than enough to cover the loss whilst we all wait for newer better items to arrive.

Wipe wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 11:09am:


The reason for the change (for once) makes sense.

The changes will be a buff for some builds, no change for most builds that care about HA.. and a nerf for builds that were complete crap as they went for every last point of HA they could, regardless of how much offense or defense they lost.

So tldr -- Gimp builds got nerfed.. everyone else has no change or a buff.

Ash wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:


Ok, so I'm not the best player in the world so can you tell me if I nerfed my build?

I'm in heroics and my sources of heal amp are the three human enhancement tiers and my set of Leviks bracers?

Just how fucked and I now and how much extra am I going to be fucked after Turbine is done with my tender asshole.

I took all three tiers

Dargon wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 3:26am:


Currently they are only talking about with the PC, no changes to lammania or live servers yet.

About your other questions... just read his post again... he explained it well enough that your questions should be answered already.

Apart from that... as long as they only touch the hamp stacking mechanic of items and keep the stacking of all other sources I am completely fine with this change.

Dargon wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 3:26am:


Really? I thought I'd made that post pretty clear.

Currently the single highest healing amp item value is 30%(gloves), which stacks with lower valued items ie. 10% (motu bracers) and 20% (tod ring)

If healing amp gets the same treatment as dodge, the 30% item becomes a 60% item, but it won't stack with the healing amp on my ring (40%) and bracers (20%) after they all get their values doubled.

Ie.  My gloves now provide 60% healing amp, and I'm free to use my bracer and ring slots on newer better items.

Dunno but I doubt they will do like you think monk, I think they will fuck with how it stacks multiplicatively.  I am of the opinion they will nerf it but make it easier to slot.

Instead of slotting a 20% and 30% item they will just nerf it and allow anyone to slot one 60 or 70% item.

Remember the clickies that used to increase fire/ice etc damage by a % and how they nerfed them to add like + spell power to that type instead.

Wipe wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 10:49am:


the 60/70% are just numbers I pulled out of my arse, point is I think they will nerf hamp but maybe change the numbers on items to appear like they are more when they are not really.

Like those clickies I am talking about after the pass they became total garbage.

Wipe wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 11:30am:


Whats your point you want them to nerf hamp?  I am not talking about specific builds here.  How about this, lets take away classes and lets make everyone a dps/healer/tank with the same amount amount of hamp and all holds hands and sing cumbaya?

Seems to me it is what they want an overall nerf to hamp but allow everyone to use the lesser form of it at a lower cost but higher ml.

Flav wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:


That's encouraging..