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Hiding Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1298 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #75 - Nov 16^th, 2014 at 11:06am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 10:32am: Well if you waznt to unfuck the U24 Named Loot, you're free to try... We tried... You can now see the result... I think that I'm far from turning white knight, but there's been so many time the general concensus of the PC hasn't been listened and when stuff went to Lamania the things that was said in the closed threads was said by the rest of the community, that I'm just concentrating in the few small victories the PC wrestled out of Turbine. Making sure ToEE stays in Greyhawk is one of those... it costs nothing for Turbine, but it's important for some people ( like me ). ( And I really would have loved to have Hommlet with it... but the reason given [ development time ] is reasonable when you see the time it takes to create an area in NWN/NWN2 toolset ) Well, I appreciate the head's up you've been giving us. It's very welcome, thank you. Sorry you guys couldn't have greater impact - I wonder why that is. Egos on their part? Dev time - as in they start something before showing you, so it's too late by then?


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #76 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 1:11am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 10:32am: Well if you waznt to unfuck the U24 Named Loot, you're free to try... We tried... You can now see the result... I think that I'm far from turning white knight, but there's been so many time the general concensus of the PC hasn't been listened and when stuff went to Lamania the things that was said in the closed threads was said by the rest of the community, that I'm just concentrating in the few small victories the PC wrestled out of Turbine. Making sure ToEE stays in Greyhawk is one of those... it costs nothing for Turbine, but it's important for some people ( like me ). ( And I really would have loved to have Hommlet with it... but the reason given [ development time ] is reasonable when you see the time it takes to create an area in NWN/NWN2 toolset ) Unless you show them a way that including Greyhawk or Hommlet increases revenue, then they don't care what you think.

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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #77 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 1:35am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 10:32am: Making sure ToEE stays in Greyhawk is one of those... it costs nothing for Turbine, but it's important for some people I understand, but without hommlet/nub leadin, it could end up being nothing but a poorly done dungeon with the only similarity being the name ToEE set in greyhawk. Not sure if that would be considered a PC or a personal victory.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #78 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 3:35am	Print Post
	The licensing would be by world/setting, so if they call it Greyhawk, won't they need to pay more for it? I know there are purists who want an exact replica, but IMHO it doesn't matter where they put it or access to it. The content is more important than the flavour. We're not really seeing much difference in the settings anyway. You ain't going to meet Mordenkainen anyway. I do think it needs Hommlet to some extent, otherwise it will just be Thunderholme re-skinned. Hope they change the map.... It depends on how they set it up. Ideally it should be a wilderness area with Hommlet and a few separate hidden discoverable entrances. TOEE was a low to mid level adventure - I doubt they'll stay true to that with a desperate need for high level Epic quests. How do you think they will "epify" TOEE (ps. badly goes without saying)? If they aim for lvl 30 content, will we have to fight Elder Elementals, Demi-gods and gods to have any challenge? Maybe they'll copy paste MOD mobs and rationalise it somehow? Or maybe they'll use those kobolds from e3BCC with 4m HP?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #79 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 3:51am	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 3:35am: The licensing would be by world/setting, so if they call it Greyhawk, won't they need to pay more for it? I know there are purists who want an exact replica, but IMHO it doesn't matter where they put it or access to it.� �The content is more important than the flavour.� We're not really seeing much difference in the settings anyway.� �You ain't going to meet Mordenkainen anyway. I do think it needs Hommlet to some extent, otherwise it will just be Thunderholme re-skinned.� Hope they change the map....� � It depends on how they set it up. Ideally it should be a wilderness area with Hommlet and a few separate hidden discoverable entrances. TOEE was a low to mid level adventure - I doubt they'll stay true to that with a desperate need for high level Epic quests. How do you think they will "epify" TOEE (ps. badly goes without saying)? If they aim for lvl 30 content, will we have to fight Elder Elementals, Demi-gods and gods to have any challenge? Maybe they'll copy paste MOD mobs and rationalise it somehow? Or maybe they'll use those kobolds from e3BCC with 4m HP? The Haunted Halls module was written for level 1-5. Why is this a concern?

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #80 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 4:34am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 3:51am: The Haunted Halls module was written for level 1-5. Why is this a concern? I don't see it as a problem per se - just curious to see what Vaultie's think. I liked PnP TOEE, even liked the buggy as hell TOEE computer game. I'm intrigued how it will translate to an MMO. HH is nominally set at 28 on EN. Some or most of the HH devs are likely gone and Ed G was consulted in crafting that content too. Do you think TOEE will be a higher level aiming to provide content for level cap next year? How do you think current crop of devs (mostly from AC) will establish challenge this time?

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #81 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 4:59am	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 4:34am: I don't see it as a problem per se - just curious to see what Vaultie's think.� I liked PnP TOEE, even liked the buggy as hell TOEE computer game.� I'm intrigued how it will translate to an MMO. HH is nominally set at 28 on EN.� Some or most of the HH devs are likely gone and Ed G was consulted in crafting that content too. Do you think TOEE will be a higher level aiming to provide content for level cap next year? How do you think current crop of devs (mostly from AC) will establish challenge this time? Well that is a completely different question. I don't know who developed HHoE, but rest assured that it will be FUBAR if Turbine does it without a P&P consultant like Ed Greenwood. This will still be a cut above their usual work from the last few years. Oh, I am fairly certain they will have it at cap (or near cap at least)...even Turbine has to recognize the need for endgame content. It would be interesting if it included a heroic version that could be truer to the original in addition though.

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9984 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #82 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:45am	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 4:34am: Do you think TOEE will be a higher level aiming to provide content for level cap next year? How do you think current crop of devs (mostly from AC) will establish challenge this time? Yes and No.... Epic will be LVL 30 Heroic will be LVL 7 as stated by Severlin... despite the fact that some of us tried to get it moved to 12+ in Heroiic.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #83 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:59am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:45am: Yes and No.... Epic will be LVL 30 Heroic will be LVL 7 as stated by Severlin... despite the fact that some of us tried to get it moved to 12+ in Heroiic.� Thanks for the info Flav. I don't read the mother forums much anymore.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #84 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 6:37am	Print Post
	I haven't actually played the ToEE module. Downloading it now. We'll see how they do.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #85 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:04am	Print Post
	If they are just doing the temple itself, they are doing the module a disservice. They could easily do a quest on Hommlet itself, one on the moathouse, one on Nulb, and then one (or more) on the temple. If they invested the time, it could work more like Tangleroot does. A series of quests that hit single map. Or Deleras. Or Greymoon/CO6. I always liked those quests for their feel that reminded me of a D&D module.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #86 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:04am: If they invested the time, it could work more like Tangleroot does.� A series of quests that hit single map.� Or Deleras.� Or Greymoon/CO6.� I always liked those quests for their feel that reminded me of a D&D module. I hate the goddamn fuck out of Tangleroot, for the same reason I'd hate any module that made me double-back that many times to advance a linear storyline. One revisit? Fine! Two? Not fond, but maybe okay. Nine? Go fuck yourself, you evil piece of shit. Delera's = much better handled, even considering the Turbined flagging. Sorrowdusk is a PITA, but that's due to the stupid distances between the quest givers and the entrances to the quests. I hope they steer as far away as humanly possible from imitating Tangleroot.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #87 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 12:12pm: I hate the goddamn fuck out of Tangleroot, for the same reason I'd hate any module that made me double-back that many times to advance a linear storyline. One revisit? Fine! Two? Not fond, but maybe okay. Nine? Go fuck yourself, you evil piece of shit. Delera's = much better handled, even considering the Turbined flagging. Sorrowdusk is a PITA, but that's due to the stupid distances between the quest givers and the entrances to the quests. I hope they steer as far away as humanly possible from imitating Tangleroot. Ooh - you must love 3BC!

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #88 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:00pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:16pm: Ooh - you must love 3BC! Fucking Fire Caves

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #89 - Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:08pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:00pm: Fucking Fire Caves� THE most important place in the ENTIRE game. It's absolutely amazing to me Turbine STILL hasn't figured out why.

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Sim-Sala-Bim Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Wha...? Posts: 5356 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Temple of Elemental Evil to come to DDO Reply #90 - Nov 18^th, 2014 at 1:30am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 11:08pm: THE most important place in the ENTIRE game. It's absolutely amazing to me Turbine STILL hasn't figured out why.�


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