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Dec 2nd, 2014 at 8:59am
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More of a bard related question, been rolling with plenty of other pure Swash 28 bards on Khyber and every once in awhile they post some damage numbers in party with Crits far into the 2.5K+ range.

I think the most I've ever critted was around 1.6k but thats counting all the procs on a Tier 3 TF Rapier.

I went the Cha>Dam route as this char is a 1st lifer 32 pt build and I max'ed on Cha, and put the rest in Con/Dex off the start.

Cha buffs up to 53 w/ Stat Song, +10 Item, +1/+2 Insight/Except, Supreme Ability Pots and some other shit I forgot. My regular hits w/ the Tier 3 TF are only on avg of 150-250, with crits (depending on what I'm hitting w/ that half-life/neg burst proc) never exceeded 1.7/8k

IS there a better way of specc'ing out a swashie? Went w/ Perfect SWF, Improved Shield Mastery, Cha to Dam and Impro Crit: Pierce.

I'm a lv 5 Unyielding Sent (mostly for the AC [128], shield bonuses and the shit load of HP and the Ress SLA and PRR [84 currently, not good])

I like the robustness (shitload of HP and AC), but on EE I have trouble smacking down a bunch of dudes.

Any input as to getting a good high end damage, while still retaining a decent amount of robustness? I understand it's probably my PRR more than my AC, b/c w/ 30 Dodge, 10 Dusk, 10 Incorp, 20 Blur, 50 Displacement I hardly take damage.

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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 9:41am
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Puppies wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 8:59am:
More of a bard related question, been rolling with plenty of other pure Swash 28 bards on Khyber and every once in awhile they post some damage numbers in party with Crits far into the 2.5K+ range.

I think the most I've ever critted was around 1.6k but thats counting all the procs on a Tier 3 TF Rapier.

I went the Cha>Dam route as this char is a 1st lifer 32 pt build and I max'ed on Cha, and put the rest in Con/Dex off the start.

Cha buffs up to 53 w/ Stat Song, +10 Item, +1/+2 Insight/Except, Supreme Ability Pots and some other shit I forgot. My regular hits w/ the Tier 3 TF are only on avg of 150-250, with crits (depending on what I'm hitting w/ that half-life/neg burst proc) never exceeded 1.7/8k

IS there a better way of specc'ing out a swashie? Went w/ Perfect SWF, Improved Shield Mastery, Cha to Dam and Impro Crit: Pierce.

I'm a lv 5 Unyielding Sent (mostly for the AC [128], shield bonuses and the shit load of HP and the Ress SLA and PRR [84 currently, not good])

I like the robustness (shitload of HP and AC), but on EE I have trouble smacking down a bunch of dudes.

Any input as to getting a good high end damage, while still retaining a decent amount of robustness? I understand it's probably my PRR more than my AC, b/c w/ 30 Dodge, 10 Dusk, 10 Incorp, 20 Blur, 50 Displacement I hardly take damage.

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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 9:45am
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Puppies wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 8:59am:
More of a bard related question, been rolling with plenty of other pure Swash 28 bards on Khyber and every once in awhile they post some damage numbers in party with Crits far into the 2.5K+ range.

I think the most I've ever critted was around 1.6k but thats counting all the procs on a Tier 3 TF Rapier.

I went the Cha>Dam route as this char is a 1st lifer 32 pt build and I max'ed on Cha, and put the rest in Con/Dex off the start.

Cha buffs up to 53 w/ Stat Song, +10 Item, +1/+2 Insight/Except, Supreme Ability Pots and some other shit I forgot. My regular hits w/ the Tier 3 TF are only on avg of 150-250, with crits (depending on what I'm hitting w/ that half-life/neg burst proc) never exceeded 1.7/8k

IS there a better way of specc'ing out a swashie? Went w/ Perfect SWF, Improved Shield Mastery, Cha to Dam and Impro Crit: Pierce.

I'm a lv 5 Unyielding Sent (mostly for the AC [128], shield bonuses and the shit load of HP and the Ress SLA and PRR [84 currently, not good])

I like the robustness (shitload of HP and AC), but on EE I have trouble smacking down a bunch of dudes.

Any input as to getting a good high end damage, while still retaining a decent amount of robustness? I understand it's probably my PRR more than my AC, b/c w/ 30 Dodge, 10 Dusk, 10 Incorp, 20 Blur, 50 Displacement I hardly take damage.

Thanks


Did you spend points on resonant arms and have ruby of resonance slotted ?

Did you spend points on Know the Angels and +3 Extra melee power ?

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Did you spend points on resonant arms and have ruby of resonance slotted ?

Did you spend points on Know the Angels and +3 Extra melee power ?



Resonant Arms, yes...I use the Ruby Eye of Force instead in the Orange slot on all my tier 3 TF.

My MP is sitting around +46 I think...even w/ all the extra Die and the MP and the bard songs by Base Dam Rating on a Tier 3 TF is only 40.65?!

Cha to Dam might be bugged...?  Sad
  

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Try Legendary Drednaught,masterblitz PRR can add defense on top at a lot of more damage output
  
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Try Legendary Drednaught,masterblitz PRR can add defense on top at a lot of more damage output


That's what was reccomended to be in game on Khyber. That or Shirardi (not sure how thatll do anything).

should I keep my Buckler for that extra 10% dodge? If I lost that and say...went for Orb (w/ an extra TF that I can put in that slot) would that work out?

Its kind of Ironic at end game and with most EDs in Arcane/Divine maxxed out I NOW am having trouble.

Awaiting a Swashie nerf by U25 -_-
  

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Puppies wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 10:40am:
Resonant Arms, yes...I use the Ruby Eye of Force instead in the Orange slot on all my tier 3 TF.

My MP is sitting around +46 I think...even w/ all the extra Die and the MP and the bard songs by Base Dam Rating on a Tier 3 TF is only 40.65?!

Cha to Dam might be bugged...?  Sad


With ruby of resonance adding 138 spell power on top of what you already have, you will inflict some huge amounts of sonic damage on crits. Ruby eye of force is a joke compared to that. Also the more melee power you can get, the better. Cha to damage is a waste of time, use int instead and take know the Angels from harper.
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Puppies wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 10:50am:
That's what was reccomended to be in game on Khyber. That or Shirardi (not sure how thatll do anything).

should I keep my Buckler for that extra 10% dodge? If I lost that and say...went for Orb (w/ an extra TF that I can put in that slot) would that work out?

Its kind of Ironic at end game and with most EDs in Arcane/Divine maxxed out I NOW am having trouble.

Awaiting a Swashie nerf by U25 -_-


It seems that shield mastery/Improved shield mastery was nerfed across the board, so i would prolly just ditch bucklers and fight purely one handed.
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With ruby of resonance adding 138 spell power on top of what you already have, you will inflict some huge amounts of sonic damage on crits. Ruby eye of force is a joke compared to that. Also the more melee power you can get, the better. Cha to damage is a waste of time, use int instead and take know the Angels from harper.


My INT sucks two day old shits through bricks. Plus my buffed up CHA mod is +21 or 22.

Should I start dropping my shield mastery feats to pick up diff impro crit ones?

And Ill prob slot that Resonance on another piece of random gen items...I was gonna put it on an upgrade Epic Locus of Vol but that Blood Rage fucks w/ my spell casting (self healing/refreshing haste and displace) and I don't like that

Is the Eidolon (sp?) From Haunted Halls really any good for a swashie?

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ILoveExploits wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
translation: you are gay and retarded!


That's litterally the best you can think of?

Go visit a Baghdad brothel on a Thursday...
  

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ILoveExploits wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Ok but tell your mom to take a shower this time.


Your ignorance is palpable.

Thursday in Afghanistan is synonomous with something completely different than a traditional brothel.

It would be more accurate if you told my BROTHER to take a shower...to which I'd requote your orignal "translation" back to you.
  

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Puppies wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 2:55pm:
Your ignorance is palpable.

Thursday in Afghanistan is synonomous with something completely different than a traditional brothel.

It would be more accurate if you told my BROTHER to take a shower...to which I'd requote your orignal "translation" back to you.


Whatever, just tell him to shave his ass this time.
  

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If you want a high crit bard swashie do dwarf with axes if you trying to get high crits with other race you doing it wrong.
If you use a rapier like me high crits don't care (1.5k to 1.8k or helpless 2k+) just often crits 80% of the time, run DC get a crit profile of 13-20 enjoy exploit weaknesses getting crit profiles of 11-20 to 2-20 all the time. I don't use fascinate just a guard breaking buckler + cleaves awesome cc and dps (with MF or without it still awesome dps).  Cheesy
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If you want a high crit bard swashie do dwarf with axes if you trying to get high crits with other race you doing it wrong.
If you use a rapier like me high crits don't care (1.5k to 1.8k or helpless 2k+) just often crits 80% of the time, run DC get a crit profile of 13-20 enjoy exploit weaknesses getting crit profiles of 11-20 to 2-20 all the time. I don't use fascinate just a guard breaking buckler + cleaves awesome cc and dps (with MF or without it still awesome dps).  Cheesy


Okay yah I gues I shouldve said that.
Im a human SWF/buck rapier.

The Vuln procs from the TF and Impro Dest. procs from Swashie are great though.

I was wondering if the Cha to Dam was making it low, or the fact that its going to be that low. Since my guildie on Khyber is running a drow elf rapier swashie and was getting those 2.5k crits

My crit rate is pretty frequent though with that Insight crit range proc too.

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yes dwarf can get to 8k maybe blitzing and rolling 19-20 with a decent crit profile for low crits plus awesome defense if you mix it with fighter but what I love of the bard fighter splash it's that the defense over 160 prr 27 dodge 80 mrr reflex 70+ so you can go be surrounded by 20 enemies in the storm horns EE and just focus in dps without worry about healing other builds can focus on dealing 50k crit if they want but if you need heal each fucking hit you got it's nothing. balanced build it's the way to go  Wink
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:17pm
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If you're dropping the shield feats, pick up Precision for Thread The Needle. The extra to-hit and armor piercing will help you crit more, and is the same +5 damage versus Power Attack, without the to-hit penalties (since unless you're a shortsword using PDK you don't have Cha to-Hit.)

If you're not heavily invested in rapiers at the moment, the swashbuckling stance turns normal shortswords into rapier's crit profiles, and makes expanded profile SS's like Rebellion monsters.

If you TR and go the dorf route as suggested above, remember that the weapon needs to be "light" to swashbuckle with it. This rules out d-axes and limits you to handaxes. Except for TF/GS, there are no named handaxes to my knowledge.

Twist in legendary shield mastery and use Divine Crusader. Sentinel is not a damage destiny. Zeal fucking rocks. +50 mp and +50 double strike will make you very happy with your damage per second. You'll mow through shit before these friends can see their bigger number crits that happen once in a blue moon.

The more I use it, the less I'm a fan of 1st Degree Burns on TF weapons. They're limited to applying a stack of Vuln once every 2 seconds. I've hit the mob 9-11 times in that span of time, and getting 1% more damage out of it isn't as good as first impressions.

I still like Shield mastey over pure one-handed. I like the dodge and extra itemization slot... but that's my preference. The raw damage could be nice... but Guardbreaking on Cove bucklers is just too good for me to give up.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 9:12pm
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AnalFissure wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:17pm:
If you're dropping the shield feats, pick up Precision for Thread The Needle. The extra to-hit and armor piercing will help you crit more, and is the same +5 damage versus Power Attack, without the to-hit penalties (since unless you're a shortsword using PDK you don't have Cha to-Hit.)

If you're not heavily invested in rapiers at the moment, the swashbuckling stance turns normal shortswords into rapier's crit profiles, and makes expanded profile SS's like Rebellion monsters.

If you TR and go the dorf route as suggested above, remember that the weapon needs to be "light" to swashbuckle with it. This rules out d-axes and limits you to handaxes. Except for TF/GS, there are no named handaxes to my knowledge.

Twist in legendary shield mastery and use Divine Crusader. Sentinel is not a damage destiny. Zeal fucking rocks. +50 mp and +50 double strike will make you very happy with your damage per second. You'll mow through shit before these friends can see their bigger number crits that happen once in a blue moon.

The more I use it, the less I'm a fan of 1st Degree Burns on TF weapons. They're limited to applying a stack of Vuln once every 2 seconds. I've hit the mob 9-11 times in that span of time, and getting 1% more damage out of it isn't as good as first impressions.

I still like Shield mastey over pure one-handed. I like the dodge and extra itemization slot... but that's my preference. The raw damage could be nice... but Guardbreaking on Cove bucklers is just too good for me to give up.


Yah I had missed the CC event, was in the field at the time training medics how to NOT kill people that fast.

I don't really take to much damage, 30 Dodge w/ all the other Blur/Dusk/Incorp/Displace with 84 PRR and 131 buffed AC is decently good at keeping me protected - however when I DO get hit...its for like 200ish on EE Tor/Storm Horns.

I am not planning on TR'ing this char. The build was more to prove to Completionist fucks that you dont need 30 past lives to make it in End Game.

Now If I stay w/ Skirmisher for the +10% Dodge and instead drop the Shield Masteries and pick up Precision and Overppower Crit would that give enough armor piercing?

And I have more than enough mats to make another Tier 3, I already have a Short Sword that I did Vuln/Armor Piercing/Half-Life on.

IF you dont do 1st Degree Burns on the Tier 1 then what route do you go for it? I kinda just made a shitload of TF's for the fuck of it...even have an undead-beater light mace and a Healing scepter for when all our gimped ass FVS die.

I was thinking of leveling up Divine Crusader...id lose about 200hp but Im sitting at around 1231 buffed w/ the Stand Against The Tide stance and +10 Con, and vit/false life items and a GS ConcOpp/Heal item.

Do you guys like Heal Proc defensive augments? I use golems heart and ConcOpp and the combined 6% chance of getting anywhere from 40-200hp is kinda good w/ my own healing thrown in there.
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 9:56pm
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the nerf to shields from shield mastery feats on lamannia is (allegedly) a bug. The intention was to strip the PRR & doublestrike benefits from orbs, not shields.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/452299-Shield-Mastery-feats-getting-a-...

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This is a bug, and is planned to be fixed for U24. Thanks for the heads-up here as well as in Bug Reports.

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rest wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 9:56pm:
the nerf to shields from shield mastery feats on lamannia is (allegedly) a bug. The intention was to strip the PRR & doublestrike benefits from orbs, not shields.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/452299-Shield-Mastery-feats-getting-a-...

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yeah idc the shield mastery nerf too much don't have doublestrike item and still get 45% permanent doublestrike with zeal 95% action boost 75%  without ISM just need add a buckler with 7% and just lose 1% doublestrike 15 prr  and get 2 extra feats not bad  Cool
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was in the field at the time training medics how to NOT kill people that fast.

A good skill to have. I appreciate it in all of my doctors and EMTs. For field medics I guess it's more of a bonus skill? Many of them are already not-killing you, and that counts for something.

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Reply #23 - Dec 3rd, 2014 at 4:02am
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If you want to see big numbers:

1. Grab a handaxe
2. Swap to LD
3. Twist in Sense Weakness.
4. Stack your blitz
5. Damage boost
6. Stun a mob
7. Roll a 19-20 crit on Mom Swing
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Revaulting wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 1:46am:
A good skill to have. I appreciate it in all of my doctors and EMTs. For field medics I guess it's more of a bonus skill? Many of them are already not-killing you, and that counts for something


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5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 4:02am:
1. Grab a handaxe
2. Swap to LD
3. Twist in Sense Weakness.
4. Stack your blitz
5. Damage boost
6. Stun a mob
7. Roll a 19-20 crit on Mom Swing
8. Take a screenie
9. Copy paste the combat feed to your party in chat
10. ...
11. Swap to Divine Crusader for better DPS. (profit)


Going to try this...always wanted to use Divine Crusader, just got so used to Sentinel b/c of the extra hps

Now...for my NEW NEW Tier 3 Thunderforged..

What should I use on it?
Made one last nigh with 150 Sonic SP, Armor Piercing and the Half-Life proc...and that was kinda gay, my sonic procs from swashie went from doing a whomping 18-30 to a crushing 30-60 /sarcasm

Seems lots of the stupid end-game shit is undead and I have a feeling the Temple of Elemental Sodomy will have undead and xorian assholes so Negative energy doesnt seem to cut it

NEED MORE PROCS!
  

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