http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2015/01/27/books-fiction-inspired-dungeon...

3.5 was mess - but most funny mess DND ever was. And i m saying that as DM and player who has really big problems to convert from ADnD 2nd ED to 3rd ED:)

I've played a handful of 5th edition sessions. It's a good, streamlined, uncomplicated system. I actually wish there was more to consider and put together, but it's early on and none of the alt books have been introduced yet. Very short on feat options and that sort of customization at this point.

Who Cares wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:


That's exactly how I feel about it.

Who Cares wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:


This is how 4e broke the game for me.
As a GM, I loved throwing unusual problems at the players at letting them innovate.  Sometimes they succeeded, sometimes they didn't but they felt like they had fun doing it.
The ability to have complex permutations of gear, skills, powers and spells was always a drawcard.
And 4E seemed solely focussed on simplified combat and little else.  I read the development notes as 4E was being formed and found hope in what I read. 
And then it was published, and looked more like a beer and pretzels game.  I think there were more tactics in "Pass the Pigs" than 4E.   

4E example....
Player excitedly: "I cast my daily spell......"
DM: "It misses, bummer"
Player: "Oh.  I guess I cast my per encounter power then"
DM: "Monster evades it"
Player: "darn, well i guess I use my "at will" power again and again and again until the monster falls over or wanders off."
Several hours later Mini eventually falls over (out of boredom I suspect)
Player: "zzzzzz........"
DM "zzzzzzzzzz......."

DropBear wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

4E Lvl 1 Rogue example:
Player smugly: I win initiative, because initiative is based on freaking Dex, and I took Improved Initiative. The actual worst I can roll is a 9. Since I won initiative, the shot is a sneak attack. I pop out of hiding and target the monster wearing robes. Since 4E allows everyone to use their main stat for combat, even though I roll a 12, I hit with Deft Shot, which moves me 2 spaces closer to the nearest pillar. Hm, let's see, 3d6 + 4 = 14.
DM: There's a look of horrified shock on the monster's face as it stares at the crossbow bolt sticking out of its chest.
Player, even more smugly: Now I use my move action to get behind that handy pillar. Since I'm a Cunning Sneak, and I ended my move at least 3 squares away from where I started, I make a stealth check to become hidden. Also since I'm a Cunning Sneak and I moved 5 or fewer spaces, there's no penalty to my stealth roll. I suppose I don't need my minor action.
DM, after a few frustrated rolls: None of the monsters seems to know where your shot came from.
Player: I move 2 spaces towards the next pillar and shoot the robed monster again with Deft Shot. Since I was hidden, it's a sneak attack. Of course I hit. 3d6 +4 = Wow, what a terrible roll. I only do 10.

This continues until the rest of the party, waiting outside the room, falls asleep.

DM: Fuckitall, You mercilessly snipe the monsters one by one, until the last of them cries out to an unforgiving god and keels over, dead.

Rest of the party: Can we do something now?
Player: Aw! I didn't even get to use my ludicrous Daily that lets me shift twice my movement, while attacking in the middle (dealing half damage on a miss).

DropBear wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:


A good summary.  This is how I felt when I read the 4.0 PH.

Revaulting wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 8:12am:



Player, you are not invited to play this weekend.

Flav wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:43am:


What makes Rolemaster combat interesting is the fact that any single strike can kill you even if it is peasant with a pitchfork against your fully armored knight if the enemy rolls and open ended up and then a good critical roll.

Capitalism's business model is cancer. There's no corporation with the goal of building a nice customer base and keeping it. It's always, "Grow faster!"

DropBear wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:


I honestly can't wrap my head around how WB lets this shit go on like this. It really is like Jerry and the rest of the idiots at Turdbine believe their client base is 16 year olds living in their parents basement. When in reality I would say, based upon the people I play with and the shit I hear in the background when they key their mic, it is the parents of the 16 year olds that play this game.

So to me it is quite disgusting to see a multi-million(billion?) dollar corporation being represented by a guy in a dirty shirt with someone eating their lunch in the background. This is like a Skype call with someone you know, not the representative you would expect to see when this type of money is involved.

It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like nobody their takes their job seriously.

Who Cares wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:



It's been 300+ posts, so I feel confident calling this: sock, a asbestos sock.