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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #25 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 5:57pm: TOEE? I'm not up on my tabletop abbreviations... Temple Of Elemental Evil

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #26 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Ah! I thought we were getting that in DDO later this year? ANd isn't that a good thing?

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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #27 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:04pm: Ah! I thought we were getting that in DDO later this year? ANd isn't that a good thing? Well, since it makes some of the DDO moronboard posters furious, I guess that can be a good thing.
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #28 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:04pm: I thought we were getting that in DDO later this year? ANd isn't that a good thing? That's what we've been told. I guess WotC just went with an Oprah approach to licencing TOEE. "You get a Temple of Elemental Evil! And you get a Temple of Elemental Evil! Everybody gets a Temple of Elemental Evil!"

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #29 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Maybe I'm not a purest, but I never quite understood why the fanboys bitch so much about lore-related things like "the location of the Temple of Elemental Evil" Why would it's being dropped in the forgotten realms be such a big issue? Now, granted, I don't get out much, but I've never even MET a tabletop player who gives a shit(and I've met quite a few) Most everyone I've ever met who plays tabletop played in world's of the GM's creation. Maybe they grab some plot elements from a source book, maybe they kip a map or two, but by and large the games have pretty much all been "This is here because the DM says so." I get that the lore is deep, intricate, and beautiful, I do. But we're playing a fucking video game, here, can't you fucks just be happy that we're getting an awesome piece of new content, play it, and have some fucking fun? Not actually an angry rant, just pointing out the obvious

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #30 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Maybe I'm not a purest, but I never quite understood why the fanboys bitch so much about lore-related things like "the location of the Temple of Elemental Evil" I was serious when I said, "fuck Greyhawk." But really the more interesting thing to me is that licencing seems to be going to both NWO and DDO.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #31 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:37pm: I was serious when I said, "fuck Greyhawk." For some reason that warms my heart more than it should But yeah, why NOT license it to whoever wants it? I'm not suggesting make it open source or anything, but if you've got multiple companies wanting to use it, why not? Cashy-money for what is now a many-years-old IP. Does anyone really think its possible to besmirch the good name of The Temple of Elemental Evil any worse than that one video game 10 years ago already did?

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #32 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:48pm: But yeah, why NOT license it to whoever wants it? I'm not suggesting make it open source or anything, but if you've got multiple companies wanting to use it, why not? Cashy-money for what is now a many-years-old IP. Because Spider Man.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4377 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #33 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Maybe I'm not a purest, but I never quite understood why the fanboys bitch so much about lore-related things like "the location of the Temple of Elemental Evil" Why would it's being dropped in the forgotten realms be such a big issue? Because they lack perspective and RL's. If this there biggest concern in life, lucky them. I love the lore too, but I couldn't give two craps if they placed Undermountain in Eberron in DDO. Most GM's change shit up anyway - mix and match is the best approach to get the most value out of material (and to confuse players who've read all the source material.....).

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DDONoob Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 247 Joined: May 7^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #34 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	gawker wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 3:41pm: So let me get this straight, we are bitching about version of the game that does not exist.� This is the vault. If there is nothing to bitch about someone will always come up with something.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #35 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	DDONoob wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 2:40pm: This is the vault. If there is nothing to bitch about someone will always come up with something. I claim this job if nobody else is taking it

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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #36 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:37pm: I was serious when I said, "fuck Greyhawk." my inner twelve-year-old just cried a little.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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chuky Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 139 Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #37 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	Nice thread. I would not switch unless I could bring my characters, and even then, like nvn, to nvn2 even porting characters it still sucked.


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #38 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 5:50pm: ..Which of these are Massively Multiplayer Online games? To be fair, Ddo is somewhere between single player and two or three co op single player rpg most the time. Even godmode and unlimited gold cheat console ! And once or twice per week it's lan party.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #39 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	Maybe I am one of the few long time players not all that attached to my characters, but I'd play a new D&D MMO/online game if it had the dynamic combat and vast customization of character builds of DDO and was more true to D&D. And by that I mean any version except 4th edition D&D. All that said, I don't think that it will happen, or that if it did that the new game would be better.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #40 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: To be fair, Ddo is somewhere between single player and two or three co op single player rpg most the time. Even godmode and unlimited gold cheat console ! And once or twice per week it's lan party. It's tough to really involve more than 10-12 people in a game without getting into PvP. Did you ever go on 40-man raids in WoW? If you weren't the main tank, a healer, or a DPS, your job was "download a third-party program to do your buffs for you" and then stand around picking your nose. Even the 10-15-man raids were largely about as interesting as playing a really slow game of hopscotch. The dungeon crawls basically consisted of knowing were to stand in order to not agro all the mobs, waiting for the tank to get agro on the one mob you were fighting at a time, and then DPSing it. They had plenty of smaller 5-man dungeons that were fun as hell, but the raids were just really bad if you weren't one of a few specific builds. DDO raids may only include 12 people, but they are at least interesting The Shroud never gets old!

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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #41 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	The game ages. How many different teams of programmers have worked on the code, now? At some point, just becoming familiar with the documentation takes up so much time that you lose efficiency. And screw "importing characters;" make a set of Heirloom items veteran players can choose from to help their new characters in the new game, and start over. People still play EQ; I tried to play some, last fall, out of nostalgia, and I just couldn't stand it. It was incredibly addictive, 15 years ago, but games really have gotten better. I don't want to spend 2 hours fletching so I have 20 arrows to go shoot things with. I don't want to spend 2 hours running across the world to get from one city to another to finish my level 5 class quest, only to get killed and not only start back at my home city, but have to go find my corpse to get my paltry few belongings and money back! Hell, make the combat system more like ESO (just don't copy their class system, or their quest line, or their grouping options, or their dungeons, or...). Switch to a job class system, where you have to be a rogue and a druid before you can be a bard, or a fighter and a cleric before you can be a paladin. Why DDO2? Because I have TR monks on 4 servers. I'm bored.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #42 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 6:05pm	Print Post
	Feynman wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Hell, make the combat system more like ESO (just don't copy their class system, or their quest line, or their grouping options, or their dungeons, or...). Switch to a job class system, where you have to be a rogue and a druid before you can be a bard, or a fighter and a cleric before you can be a paladin. Oh GOD NO! For the love of all that is right and good in this world, do NOT copy anything from THAT abortion of a game! UGHN! I'm with you on some of the rest, though I tried to play EQ when it went F2P, got roughly 6 minutes in before one of the strobing character names on an NPC made me want to hurl. Tried EQ2, found out that "F2P" for Sorny really means "extended trial! Pay a subscription if you actually want to play!" There's some benefit in the idea of founders accounts. I had one for the ill-fated Dark and Light... really miss that game in hindsight. If it had actually taken off and not sucked, I'd be playing the shit out of it to this day and be saying "DDO who?" I believed in it enough to pre-order. But, really, they'd just be so much better suited to simply fixing the existing game. Its probably the last game we'll ever see quite like it, everything from here on out will be monthly fee or blatant cash grab

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	noamineo wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 5:44pm: It's tough to really involve more than 10-12 people in a game without getting into PvP. Did you ever go on 40-man raids in WoW? AQ 40, Zul Gurub, Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, you name it. Long time ago, eh ? "Raiding" in ddo now consists of 1 - 6 people bored. Even before, it was super casual and forgiving. There is no comparison, really.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9009 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #44 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 6:08pm: AQ 40, Zul Gurub, Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, you name it. Long time ago, eh ? "Raiding" in ddo now consists of 1 - 6 people bored. Even before, it was super casual and forgiving. There is no comparison, really. I played WoW back when the cap was 60 quit before the first expansion. Did you ever go on a raid back then as something other than a tank, DPS, or healer? I played as a paladin. Back in the day, my job was to hand out buffs. Oh, but I couldn't just hand them out. No, I had to(as in was required to by the raid leader) download a 3rd-party adon for the game that did the buffs for me. You think 6-maning a 12-man raid in DDO is boring? Try standing around for 3 hours so you can occasionally hit a button. And that's assuming no one more important wanted your "spot" on the raid

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	noamineo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 5:50pm: ...Which of these are Massively Multiplayer Online games? All of them except Warcraft 2 were Massive, Multiplayer and Online. Its been a while since I played WoW, but I don't REMEMBER it being a Real-Time Strategy game. Not really sure where you get off calling a game made in a completely different genre a "sequel", unless this is some new definition of the term that myself and the dictionary are unfamiliar with... WoW is the 4th expansion in the World of Warcraft franchise.

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #46 - Jan 29^th, 2015 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 4:29pm: my inner twelve-year-old just cried a little. Tell it to Gord the rogue.

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	DDO2 is called NWO. Stop putting you head in the ground about that... It's a Dungeons and Dragons based MMO, It's the second MMO of that kind, as such it's name can be Dungeons and Dragons Onl�ine 2 : Neverwinter. DDO3 will be a Clash of Clan Like Mobile application...

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: DDO2... why does anyone think this is a good idea? Reply #48 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 3:49am	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 5:55pm: Apparently the TOEE is being moved into Forgotten Realms (because fuck Greyhawk). Told you so.

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