Starkjade wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 9:43am:


It was also a joke. Sorry I forgot the cheesy smily: 

But really, where I come from, chocolate covered peanuts would never be mixed with chocolate covered raisins. That's why I say to read the container, because you must have gotten them mixed up.

But apparently you must live in a land of uncivilized snack-mixing barbarians. 

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Your spot on..

But then again, this is the Vault.  Why would they let facts and logic get in the way of their lame attempts to troll and provoke.

DropBear wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 1:08am:


Having signed and agreed to many NDAs in the real world I guess I have a bit more respect for them than your average Valutie.

While I agree that the PC NDA is somewhat a joke (I actually lobbied to have PC members sign, notarize and return the damn thing); due to my profession and background I take all of them pretty seriously -- even the ones that "don't hold a lot of water".

Ash wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:16am:


it is non-binding and non-enforceable. I am surprised you would take it seriously when turbine does not.

mystafyi wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:47am:


While I don't disagree with your assessment on the NDA, by joining the council last year I agreed to abide by a certain set of rules.  While they might not take it seriously, that doesn't mean I didn't take my agreement to those terms seriously.

A person is only as good as their word... even (and especially) when it is non-enforceable.

Again, I work in an industry where NDAs are our lifeblood.  And I am certainly not going to compromise my integrity to satisfy a bunch of strangers on the internet.

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Shadehater wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 6:57am:


Ash wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:10am:





MadCookieQueen wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:10am:




This whole series of posts made me smile and laugh really hard again then again, and finally one more time really really hard. So I will just thank the vault for this absurd gem.

My initial chuckle, seeing a sock attempt damage control, making a post that as Drop pointed out sounds like it was vetted by a lawyer and at the same time hints that some should behave and hangs Madcookie out to dry.

Mirth at seeing Shade lose his shit and go all sanctimonious, normally one of the sharper tools in the vault, seems to have missed that high-jacking.

Then I'm really laughing out loud as Ash posts "spot on! nice job boss!" the only thing missing was "can I get you a cup of coffee Cordovan?" with a little bow. Thanks for making it absolutely clear how we should interpret anything more you post Ash. 

By the time I read where Madcookie is trying to claw back some appearance of PC insider status I was crying tears of mirth. Ash says the post with words like: never any part, whatsoever, at all, & no input, never, prohibited... etc is "spot on" But Madcookie can't lose that PC mystique without a fight it seems, so she posts that it was only "much she didn't know", not all you see! and tells anyone who will listen  how only sometimes she would give him a earful, and how there was just a "fair" amount of respect for the NDA. Like watching Mrs. Bucket on the forums.

Ash wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:


There, saved it for you mate.

Ash wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:


Well you could always ask Cordovan, you seem to find his advice "spot on".

I want to be clear that I'm not commenting on MadCookie or Ash specifically, except to say that Ash holds himself to a standard few others would meet.  He has explained why NDA's are important to him and I accept that as understandable - because it's not what others think of you, it's the respect you have for your own actions that count the most.

I work in an industry heavy with NDA's too, but I can't take the Turdbine one too seriously sorry.  I would honour the principle of the agreement, but hardly the letter of the "law" espoused above.

My commentary was more about the obvious source of that Mattyboy post and how out of touch with reality that expectation is for the ordinary person.
if I were on the PC, breaching the NDA with my wife wouldn't be an issue as she hates the game and thinks computer games are for kids.  So I couldn't discuss it even if I tried!   

The other point I am trying to make is - so what if someone talks yo their wife about DDO?  If that person is circumspect, then what harm us done?  If their partner is not circumspect, you track down the leak as you would any other.

Turdbine behave like they're in the Cold War era still.  Get real guys.
As the others have called you out - an agreement with no actual enforceability is as effective as a wet paper bag.  And as Ash said, the execution of it makes dubiously binding to begin with.
I personally agree that if you join the PC you should respect the agreement because you said you would, not because it is "legal".

Cordo - coming on here with the BS above is just idiocy and you deserve to get flamed.

ya hag is a douche don't talk to him

Shadehater wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:



Hey, I was just poking you for giggles shade, hardly matters, especially compared to the other hilarious posts that came out of that from Ash and Mad, my genuine targets.

I wouldn't have spotted it if Dropbear hadn't pointed it out a couple months ago and I think it's safe to say we all have "blinders" for certain people that prompt a strong reaction, myself included..    cough cough (Arkough) cough

Hag Master wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

That is fair.  That guy really just sets me off.  Of course he thinks I'm an Aussie chick that played on his server so...