It scales for a group of 1-4 players.  Player 5 and 6 have no affect.

Scaling is also affected by the class of the toons in the party (although I don't think anyone has figured out exactly how)

bob the builder wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:


Yes, scaling is in effect on Elite difficulty, but to a much lesser extent than other difficulties.
This will only affect you if you do Elite solo or duo, by scaling down slightly.

DropBear wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

And it sucks ass. I went through all that trouble to dupe cards, and I can't put a dent in my supply of mana or healing pots.

DropBear wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 1:06am:

I would have to pay Turbine for enough gold-seal hirelings to do that. And wait around while summoning them. Ugh. I hate that waiting around shit. Come to think of it, that's probably why I didn't dupe any when it was possible, beyond proof of concept.

DropBear wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 5:50am:

Only one, though* since I'm not dual-boxing, and for the same reason: I hate waiting for the fucking bar timer. Though I'll cede your point. It is possible to get the dungeon scaling back where it ought to be.







*And again, for the same reason, I'm not going to fuck around with timing.

I have taken a pretty in-depth look at this when it comes to HP on Mobs, and a cursory look at saves and incoming damage.

Currently Epic Elite scales in a similar fashion as Epic Normal.

A 1 Character Party will see a mob(s) with ~ 30% fewer HP, lower AC, and lower saves (both offense and defense), incoming damage to the Character will be reduced by up to 50% (dependent on Character Class).

Test Mob Epic Elite (Epic Normal)
1 Characters - 3180 HP (560 HP)
2 Characters - 3650 HP (630 HP)
3 Characters - 4150 HP (710 HP)
4 Characters - 4615 HP (780 HP)

My test mob sees slightly more scaling on Epic Elite (3%) than it does on Epic Normal.   But there appears to be other factors in play.

Beyond the number of characters in party, character class, character level, the highest character level on a hybrid character, and character level in relation to the level of the quest and current HP all seem to effect.

Hirelings appear to count as .5 of a full character.
Clerics and Wizards appear to .6 of a full character
bards, Rogues and Artificers appear to be .8 of a character
The rest appear to be considered full characters.

Scaling appears to round up to the next full character.

A Party of a Cleric, Wizard, and a hireling = 2 character party (at least in terms of HP).   

Scaling also takes place at the time the mob spawns or when they become active.   It is no longer dynamic.

Scrybe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:00am:

Thats from way way back, when wizards and clerics were only buffbots and healbots.

Viktor Vaughn wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:08am:


What's more concerning...Turbine's power creep or Turbine's inability to modify scaling at all on a near-10-year-old game?

Revaulting wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:17am:


Turbinacity.

A contraction of Turbine and tenacity = They're utterly determined to fuck everything up in their own unique way.

Scrybe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:12am:

Everything about turbine is sad.

arti 8/10ths of a character? those btiches need to be like a negative.

Calro wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:17am:

In Heroic, they should count for 2. In Epic, -2.

Scrybe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:20am:

It seems to be confusing you. Or me. Casters suffer wimp mobs on account of being scaled more than most classes. Melee suffer the least scaling, and therefore get to play the closest to a challenge the game can offer. Multiclass suffers the most scaling out of all, facing the absolute gimpiest mobs, and therefore the most boredom.