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Angry Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1699 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2014	What did Turbine do to the raids? Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:19am	Print Post
	Especially Deathwyrm? We found this weekend that Deathwyrm was completely unplayable on EE.. at least at the hour we attempted it. The next day someone else did an eN run without any problem. Then there was a group doing eH CitW and it took 2h cause of lag... while I did 2x eN in less than that time. I haven't been following what Turbine has been doing to try and address the lag.. but this is just ridiculous. We got much less players than before, but the lag, especially in higher difficulties in some raids is just... well fatal. Raids unplayable. When did this happen and why?


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m4lacka Horoluth Raider Offline Coitus ergo sum. Posts: 2494 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #1 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:32am	Print Post
	Angry wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:19am: Especially Deathwyrm? We found this weekend that Deathwyrm was completely unplayable on EE.. at least at the hour we attempted it. The next day someone else did an eN run without any problem. Then there was a group doing eH CitW and it took 2h cause of lag... while I did 2x eN in less than that time. I haven't been following what Turbine has been doing to try and address the lag.. but this is just ridiculous. We got much less players than before, but the lag, especially in higher difficulties in some raids is just... well fatal. Raids unplayable. When did this happen and why? I am curious what Ra will respond to this.

	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm: The most broken epic PL in the game is the ridiculous AC buff from martial PLs. But when you include all the inherent benefits from reincarnation, the thing is above the roof. The benefit from TR was supposed to be minimal, but now it is game breaking. start a new character and you will feel, you will get raped in heroics. Personally I think lower heroics on new characters are harder than Legendary Elite content on a character with good gear and has all destinies farmed. Arkat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm: And someone in another thread called ME delusional recently! Wow. Have you EVER gone to Law School Feyn? Have you EVER been asked by a United States Senator who is now the Vice President of the United States to write a paper just for him on a particular topic of Constitutional Law for his use as a Senator? Have you ever been asked to help a very notable Harvard PhD turned Constitutional scholar with his very-well received book on Legal Philosophy and Constitutional Revolutions? Have you ever been offered a job as a Deputy Attorney General BEFORE you even graduated Law School? No? Then STFU you fucking amateur. Meat-Head wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 12:03am: Thx. I was semi-waiting because windows 10 will be here soon. but, the crashing is making me want to punch old people. IMARANGER wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Pretty sure that the fact that a service can be hacked doesn't make it the "community chest".
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m4lacka Horoluth Raider Offline Coitus ergo sum. Posts: 2494 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #2 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:35am	Print Post
	All i can tell ya is that guild ship rooms load in slowly, then there is the polinomial time deposit bagging. These sort of shit all contribute to massive lag when servers are swarmed by people entering guild ships, tossing stuff into depo. etc etc If turdbin just took some time to run a debugger or at least test the time output for all the shit they introduce... That would save us a lot of trouble.
	« Last Edit: Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:36am by m4lacka »
	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm: The most broken epic PL in the game is the ridiculous AC buff from martial PLs. But when you include all the inherent benefits from reincarnation, the thing is above the roof. The benefit from TR was supposed to be minimal, but now it is game breaking. start a new character and you will feel, you will get raped in heroics. Personally I think lower heroics on new characters are harder than Legendary Elite content on a character with good gear and has all destinies farmed. Arkat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm: And someone in another thread called ME delusional recently! Wow. Have you EVER gone to Law School Feyn? Have you EVER been asked by a United States Senator who is now the Vice President of the United States to write a paper just for him on a particular topic of Constitutional Law for his use as a Senator? Have you ever been asked to help a very notable Harvard PhD turned Constitutional scholar with his very-well received book on Legal Philosophy and Constitutional Revolutions? Have you ever been offered a job as a Deputy Attorney General BEFORE you even graduated Law School? No? Then STFU you fucking amateur. Meat-Head wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 12:03am: Thx. I was semi-waiting because windows 10 will be here soon. but, the crashing is making me want to punch old people. IMARANGER wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Pretty sure that the fact that a service can be hacked doesn't make it the "community chest".
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Scrybe Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 281 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2013	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #3 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 4:16am	Print Post
	Lag is now akin to a close friend. Turbine thinks that if they remove it now, we'd miss it dearly . Better to keep it close so we don't feel abandoned.


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Metal-Beast Abbot Raider Offline \m/ Posts: 767 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #4 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am	Print Post
	Not just the raids. Don't Drink the Water EE was a lag wipe. At least some people DC'd to miss the bloodbath.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #5 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:14am	Print Post
	Last weekend was really bad. Rubberbanding in Necro, Eveningstar, Market. 10+ seconds freezes in Tor or Stormhorns. Lag in Mod. Again, fucking weekend, when many people would play ( and maybe pay ) more or maybe some new folks are trying out the game.
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #6 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:17am	Print Post
	Hah! I've got it! It's an acclimation process. Turbine is introducing lag to everything, so that we won't complain about the lag from Mabar when they drag its hoary broken ass out for "festivities."

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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #7 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:30am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:14am: Last weekend was really bad. Rubberbanding in Necro, Eveningstar, Market. 10+ seconds freezes in Tor or Stormhorns. Lag in Mod. Again, fucking weekend, when many people would play ( and maybe pay ) more or maybe some new folks are trying out the game. Are you on Thelanis?


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Gringo Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 881 Location: Prague, Europe Joined: Nov 22^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #8 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:35am	Print Post
	idk, i m argo resident and havent notice nothing unusual thru last week, doing raids almost every day. no totally lag free, but just couple spikes here n there.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #9 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:14am: more or maybe some new folks are trying out the game. ...

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #10 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:45am	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:30am: Are you on Thelanis? Ghallanda. But people from all servers seem to be not really happy with the lag. Looking at the motherforums, Orien, Cannith, Thelanis, Salorna ... Rubbinns wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:39am: ... Dunno, I would sometimes look at the who panel when I have nothing better to do and there are 20 - 30 unguildied newbies in Korthos or Harbour. Too bad almost never in group. I sometimes wish I was one of the super patient people and group with them instead of invisizerg < 10 quests like usual. Never get around to do it.


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #11 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am	Print Post
	THis has nothing to do with amount of people playing.


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Scrybe Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 281 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2013	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #12 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:51am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:45am: Ghallanda. But people from all servers seem to be not really happy with the lag. Looking at the shithole DDO forums, Orien, Cannith, Thelanis, Salorna ... Dunno, I would sometimes look at the who panel when I have nothing better to do and there are 20 - 30 unguildied newbies in Korthos or Harbour. Too bad almost never in group. I sometimes wish I was one of the super patient people and group with them instead of invisizerg < 10 quests like usual. Never get around to do it. I feel you. My guild is very small (2 members). Mostly because I can never be bothered with finding new people to join the guild, let alone flower sniff in Korthos. Shame, because it would be genuinely be fun to have a few more members in the guild.


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ElGuapo Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 215 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #13 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:51am	Print Post
	I think for shits and giggles Im gonna do this today when the servers come back up. head out to korthos and help a bunch of noobs out getting into DDO. once Im done with that I'll probably have the need to help scrubbed from my brain for the next 14 months. win win.


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #14 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am: THis has nothing to do with amount of people playing. Wrong, full group = retarded lag always. 7-11 group = lag sometimes. 6 man = no lag at all.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #15 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:08am	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am: THis has nothing to do with amount of people playing. Dude sees some super rare ddo banner or hears about ddo from a friend. Dude has patience to wait for 3 hours long download /� install. Makes a toon, no groups in Korthos, alright, he gets to explore quests alone. Gets hit by the goddamn lag. Never tries the game again. First impression is really important. I really don't understand HOW technical side of the game / or ability to even fucking log in and play is NOT a top priority.


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:10am	Print Post
	ILoveExploits wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am: Wrong, full group = retarded lag always. 7-11 group = lag sometimes. 6 man = no lag at all. I didnt mention group/party.


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Angry Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1699 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Ppl were having theories about how to get rid of or avoid the lag in Deathwyrm... kill archers quickly, keep whole party in one instance, kill trash quickly, etc. Yet, Deathwyrm EE was unplayable.. we did EE Fire on Thunder Peak instead and finished it without any lag. Both eN Deathwyrm and eN CitW were lag free... so I am thinking there is some shitty code somewhere that affects the higher difficulties. My guess is that they tried to fix Deathwyrm lag on the code level.. but managed to make it worse. It's very possible that the mob spawn with a full party is too much for their platform to handle atm. Adjusting mob spawns could help. Though, what a surprise. I said exactly the same about Mabar. Turbine needs to have a look at the spawns and adjust them. Of course, who knows.. might be something else too.


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #18 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:08am: Dude sees some super rare ddo banner or hears about ddo from a friend. Dude has patience to wait for 3 hours long download /� install. Makes a toon, no groups in Korthos, alright, he gets to explore quests alone. Gets hit by the goddamn lag. Never tries the game again. First impression is really important. I really don't understand HOW technical side of the game / or ability to even fucking log in and play is NOT a top priority. Who the hell would recommend ddo to a friend? Maybe recommend it to your enemy, but friend, not now.


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Scrybe Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 281 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2013	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:31am	Print Post
	Angry wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:11am: Ppl were having theories about how to get rid of or avoid the lag in Deathwyrm... kill archers quickly, keep whole party in one instance, kill trash quickly, etc. Yet, Deathwyrm EE was unplayable.. we did EE Fire on Thunder Peak instead and finished it without any lag. Both eN Deathwyrm and eN CitW were lag free... so I am thinking there is some shitty code somewhere that affects the higher difficulties. My guess is that they tried to fix Deathwyrm lag on the code level.. but managed to make it worse. It's very possible that the mob spawn with a full party is too much for their platform to handle atm. Adjusting mob spawns could help. Though, what a surprise. I said exactly the same about Mabar. Turbine needs to have a look at the spawns and adjust them. Of course, who knows.. might be something else too. Oh man, you reminded me of a glorious EE Fire on Thunderpeak raid that I was in. We were destroying face. Mobs dropping like flies. Dragons dropping like dragon-sized-flies. Then the lag monster hits. Queue Powerpoint Slideshow DDO! (hey that rhymes...). All went to fuck shortly after. And by shortly I mean twenty minutes later when we all noticed we were dead. Ah, the good times we have on DDO .


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:47am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:08am: I really don't understand HOW technical side of the game / or ability to even fucking log in and play is NOT a top priority. This! A few weeks ago I was in my local game shop and got talking with another customer, also a father with kids starting to game. Somehow DDO came up and the guy was curious. I told him I've been playing for years and still play a few hours a week, I gave him my server and character name and told him to send a mail if he was interested in a hand learning the ropes. But I also warned him about the bugs, the half finished systems, and the lag. He kept smiling and nodding, but clearly the interest went out. The D&D name still has huge pull, but crap implementation is still repulsive There are too many choices now to get away with business as usual for Turdbin. I may see the guy at a PnP session at the shop, but I serously doubt I'll see him in DDO. Viktor Vaughn wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:11am: Who the hell would recommend ddo to a friend? Maybe recommend it to your enemy, but friend, not now. LOL, yeah, this too
	« Last Edit: Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:49am by Meursault »
	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Scrybe Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 281 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2013	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 10:57am	Print Post
	I try to get a few RL friends to play DDO (yes, people like me in real life, truly!). I host two or three LAN Weekends a year usually. Pretty hardcore gaming weekends, spending 16-18 hours a day constantly playing over two or three days. I get some mates that have never played and run them through the game basics, and quest with them for as long as possible. Unfortunately, nobody ever sticks at it for very long. The LAN sessions are always a blast, though. Maybe DDO is something that just appeals to me, and not many other people see the fun in it? XD I dunno, as much as I bitch and moan, I still enjoy playing.


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Calro Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 28 Joined: Jun 14^th, 2014	Re: What did Turbine do to the raids? Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:08am	Print Post
	Bro tip, lag had always been a thang.


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