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Reply #75 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:18pm
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why maul in LD?
  
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Reply #76 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:33pm
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5 foot,

Dial it back a bit, you made a decent build and many of us appreciated it.

That's no excuse to go all fucking "I'm the master builder!!" and act precious like Cetus.

Everyone appreciates good ideas across the board, so stop before you turn into another one of those build only turds that live on the praise they get for a build.

Just some advice to consider.
  
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Reply #77 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 7:01pm
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good shit right here.  it's weird watching two people argue where one isn't a batshit crazy chick, or a racist, or a homophobe.
  

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Reply #78 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:29pm
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CosmicCharlie wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:18pm:
why maul in LD?

He believes that Pulverizer, Anvil of Thunder, and Lightning Mace or better than Headman's Chop.  Meh.
  

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Reply #79 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:47pm
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Try 10 higher. 19-20x7 is 12 extra iterations of damage.
15-18x4 + 19-20x6 is 22 extra iterations of damage. Your crits suck.


Dude, I can get the same exact crit profile as you, taking the exact same Enhancements (minus the extra 10 I use for Communion) and Destiny, except I start with a +3 and you start with a +4.  TF Great Axe has a base damage profile of 3.5[1d12] + 9.  A heavy pick has 3.5[1d6] + 9.  Last time I checked 1d12 is twice as much as 1d6.

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Castigation: Your Aura of Purification also harms nearby enemies, dealing Bane damage every 3 seconds. Non-bosses take damage equal to 1% of their current health for each stack of Purification they have. Bosses instead take 1d6 Bane damage per stack of Purification. This ability also grants +2 Melee Power.
Bug: Bosses take no damage from this aura.
  

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Reply #80 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 9:20pm
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Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
Dude, I can get the same exact crit profile as you, taking the exact same Enhancements (minus the extra 10 I use for Communion) and Destiny, except I start with a +3 and you start with a +4.  TF Great Axe has a base damage profile of 3.5[1d12] + 9.  A heavy pick has 3.5[1d6] + 9.  Last time I checked 1d12 is twice as much as 1d6.

  You count like my 5 year old.

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Castigation: Your Aura of Purification also harms nearby enemies, dealing Bane damage every 3 seconds. Non-bosses take damage equal to 1% of their current health for each stack of Purification they have. Bosses instead take 1d6 Bane damage per stack of Purification. This ability also grants +2 Melee Power.
Bug: Bosses take no damage from this aura.


Forget about all of those side arguments.  At the end of the day, you're still wasting 11-12 AP on a shitty self heal that isn't needed.  Please explain how you can justify that in today's meta.
  
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Reply #81 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 10:35pm
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Hag Master wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:33pm:
5 foot,

Dial it back a bit, you made a decent build and many of us appreciated it.

That's no excuse to go all fucking "I'm the master builder!!" and act precious like Cetus.

Everyone appreciates good ideas across the board, so stop before you turn into another one of those build only turds that live on the praise they get for a build.

Just some advice to consider.


Maybe I came off as a little provocative at first, I was merely reacting naturally to an unknowledgeable player gushing about a mediocre build as if it were the best thing ever.

I'm going to continue telling it like it is as long as he keeps spouting ignorant BS.
  

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Reply #82 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 10:40pm
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Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
He believes that Pulverizer, Anvil of Thunder, and Lightning Mace or better than Headman's Chop.  Meh.


Pulverizer is mathematically twice as good as Headsman's Chop since it gets double by Improved Critical...and it stacks with Critical Rage.

17-20x3 > 19-20x4

15-20x3 > 17-18x3+19-20x4
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Reply #83 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 10:56pm
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Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
Dude, I can get the same exact crit profile as you, taking the exact same Enhancements (minus the extra 10 I use for Communion) and Destiny, except I start with a +3 and you start with a +4. 


No you can't. There is no x4 THF weapon, so every crit range extender gives me 33% more damage than a Gaxe/Maul. Falchion makes up some of the difference since it starts out better, but gets 2/3 less damage from those range extenders.

Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
TF Great Axe has a base damage profile of 3.5[1d12] + 9.  A heavy pick has 3.5[1d6] + 9.  Last time I checked 1d12 is twice as much as 1d6.


I have 2 picks. Last time I checked, 2d6 was higher than 1d12. Try again.


Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
  You count like my 5 year old.


Just stop. Even if you are ignoring the "feature" I still have a 3 second cooldown cleave and a 12 second cooldown cleave that adds 500 extra damage. Oh and I get full healed every time I use them thanks to Blood Strength.


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What would this be?  This?
Castigation: Your Aura of Purification also harms nearby enemies, dealing Bane damage every 3 seconds. Non-bosses take damage equal to 1% of their current health for each stack of Purification they have. Bosses instead take 1d6 Bane damage per stack of Purification. This ability also grants +2 Melee Power.
Bug: Bosses take no damage from this aura.


Yes, if you want to clear rooms full of trash this is the way to go. I've seen it tick as high as 15k in EE raids.
  

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Reply #84 - Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:17pm
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CosmicCharlie wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:18pm:
why maul in LD?


This advice is Barbarian specific because Pulverizer stacks with Crit Rage. If you are a pally with Holy Sword, a Fighter with Keen Edge you should still use a Falchion for THF because Holy Sword and Keen Edge don't stack with Pulverizer.

If you're THF on any other class for some reason, then you should also use maul for LD because of Pulverizer. (except for Rogues and Monks with Staff specialization I guess.)
  

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Reply #85 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 12:14am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 11:17pm:
This advice is Barbarian specific because Pulverizer stacks with Crit Rage. If you are a pally with Holy Sword, a Fighter with Keen Edge you should still use a Falchion for THF because Holy Sword and Keen Edge don't stack with Pulverizer.

If you're THF on any other class for some reason, then you should also use maul for LD because of Pulverizer. (except for Rogues and Monks with Staff specialization I guess.)


So I have to make a TF maul?
  
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Reply #86 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 1:19am
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CosmicCharlie wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 12:14am:
So I have to make a TF maul?


No, only if you want your Barbarian to do more THF damage in LD.

17-20x3 >     19-20x4     =     15-20x2
  Maul             Gaxe                   Falch
15-20x3 > 17-18x3+19-20x4 >13-20x2

Of course, if you are a Barbarian you should strongly consider TWF in DC with picks if you are looking to maximize DPS, because 15-20x4 is better than any of the above, and there is a long list of Barbarian effects that double with TWF.
  

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Reply #87 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 5:08pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 10:56pm:
Dude, I can get the same exact crit profile as you, taking the exact same Enhancements (minus the extra 10 I use for Communion) and Destiny, except I start with a +3 and you start with a +4.

No you can't. There is no x4 THF weapon, so every crit range extender gives me 33% more damage than a Gaxe/Maul. Falchion makes up some of the difference since it starts out better, but gets 2/3 less damage from those range extenders.We agreed on this, if I start at +3 and have access to the exact same enhancements and destiny, then your +4 will always be +1.  Shade calls this "math".


I have 2 picks. Last time I checked, 2d6 was higher than 1d12. Try again.
You are wrong, oh so wrong.  TWF does not proc both hands during Cleaves.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Attacks_that_hit_with_two_weapons

AND 2wf does not get twice the number of attacks per minute over 2hf.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/275144-Vanshilar-s-Attack-Speed-Index-...



Just stop. Even if you are ignoring the "feature" I still have a 3 second cooldown cleave and a 12 second cooldown cleave that adds 500 extra damage. Oh and I get full healed every time I use them thanks to Blood Strength.
No you don't.
Blood Strength: Each time you land a hit there is a 12% chance you heal positive damage equal to your Barbarian level. Each time you kill an opponent you are healed for 20 hit points. This healing scales with 100% Melee Power.


Yes, if you want to clear rooms full of trash this is the way to go. I've seen it tick as high as 15k in EE raids.  Nice crit
Now don't get me wrong, I like the build,except for Toughness and Epic Toughness, any class that can put out 1500 hp out of the box needs neither feat. 

I have never said that 2wf with heavy picks were not capable of awesome dps.  I never said your build was not capable of producing awesome dps.  I just think you "butted in with hate" at the start so I had to school you on what a build really is.  I would offer you this challenge.  Pick a Destiny and Enhancement combo for my Pure Bladeforged Barbarian and I bet you I could solo any EE quest.  You will not be able to do the same with your build.  Stepping outside your builds finely tuned niche would be deadly for you in at level EE quests, as you have admitted.  You seem to be overestimating the builds self healing.  My self healing is constant and universal.  My build is more survivable, flexible and not to mention unique.

If this,
(17-20x3 > 19-20x4 15-20x3 > 17-18x3+19-20x4)
is your best and only measure of a build then I guess you win.
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Reply #88 - Mar 19th, 2015 at 3:05am
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Post your build on the builds subforum, and let's see what kind of barbarian advice you get. Otherwise, I will leave you to revel in your mediocrity.




(Hint: I do not expect it will be Great Axe Bladeforged is teh bestemest cuz of healing while not raged!)
  

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Reply #89 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 12:42am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 3:05am:
Post your build on the builds subforum, and let's see what kind of barbarian advice you get. Otherwise, I will leave you to revel in your mediocrity.

See? I'm making fun of you cause I make builds!

Check out my builds!


(Hint: I do not expect it will be Great Axe Bladeforged is teh bestemest cuz of healing while not raged!)

  
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Reply #90 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 5:08am
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shang on my server has an 18/1/1 bf barb build. he crits for like 14k on helpless with great axe in LD. It has amazing dps for a barb not taking the capstone. Also the guy is a good player so he can get away with taking any of his builds in any ee and wreck shit. He tried telling ironclan on the forums that 18/ barb is still a good build. thats where ironclan went dumb and started pretending he knows the build and it's bad. Same with dickish jalont. jalont even tried saying it was exploit...  I wish shang had posted his screenshot of his crits on that thread but he's smarter than that. Sev would just insta-fucking-nerf.
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Reply #91 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 5:12am
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 5:08am:
shang on my server has an 18/1/1 bf barb build. he crits for like 14k on helpless with great axe in LD. It has amazing dps for a barb not taking the capstone. Also the guy is a good player so he can get away with taking any of his builds in any ee and wreck shit. He tried telling ironclan on the forums that 18/ barb is still a good build. thats where ironclan went dumb and started pretending he knows the build and it's bad. Same with dickish jalont. jalont even tried saying it was exploit...  I wish shang had posted his screenshot of his crits on that thread but he's smarter than that. Sev would just insta-fucking-nerf.


14k, fucking hell. That bloody impressive without cap, hell it would be with cap.

As for Ironclan, fuck that guy.
  
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Reply #92 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 6:22am
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 5:08am:
shang on my server has an 18/1/1 bf barb build. he crits for like 14k on helpless with great axe in LD. It has amazing dps for a barb not taking the capstone. Also the guy is a good player so he can get away with taking any of his builds in any ee and wreck shit. He tried telling ironclan on the forums that 18/ barb is still a good build. thats where ironclan went dumb and started pretending he knows the build and it's bad. Same with dickish jalont. jalont even tried saying it was exploit...  I wish shang had posted his screenshot of his crits on that thread but he's smarter than that. Sev would just insta-fucking-nerf.


Axes are great for screenshots.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 6:22am:
Axes are great for screenshots.

Yeah. So is getting over 100 str score for your thf weapon. That isnt small dps. Most barbs are getting 70s. That is at least a 5 point increase over 25 flat from capstone. Obviously they have to use DM to get str that high. But the dps isnt just for screenshot shows. It competes with the standard ravager/berserker builds.
  

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Reply #94 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 11:24am
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 5:08am:
I wish shang had posted his screenshot of his crits on that thread but he's smarter than that. Sev would just insta-fucking-nerf.



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Reply #95 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 11:44am
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 9:33am:
Yeah. So is getting over 100 str score for your thf weapon. That isnt small dps. Most barbs are getting 70s. That is at least a 5 point increase over 25 flat from capstone. Obviously they have to use DM to get str that high. But the dps isnt just for screenshot shows. It competes with the standard ravager/berserker builds. 


You have to run one to see that, the numbers aren't stright forward since the base damage (which is higher for 18/1/1 builds) effects so many things.

18/1/1 is very strong and is my favourite between that and pure barb.
  
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Reply #96 - Mar 27th, 2015 at 10:10am
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Shang and good player in the same sentence ...... jesus heard less shit from people  Roll Eyes
  
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Shang and good player in the same sentence ...... jesus heard less shit from people  Roll Eyes

I dont know when was the last time you played with them. Him and yellobeard routinely duo every ee in the game. Are very knowledgeable about mechanics, debuffs, and tactics. Yello was also a MLG for FPS games. The guy is a better gamer than YOU, so....
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 27th, 2015 at 10:32am:
I dont know when was the last time you played with them. Him and yellobeard routinely duo every ee in the game. Are very knowledgeable about mechanics, debuffs, and tactics. Yello was also a MLG for FPS games. The guy is a better gamer than YOU, so....


You may not see this post, being so far up their asses but in case you do get signal up there - stop drinking the fucking koolaid  Wink
  
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Reply #99 - Mar 27th, 2015 at 4:55pm
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Hag Master wrote on Mar 15th, 2015 at 4:33pm:
one of those build only turds that live on the praise they get for a build.


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