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Mar 12th, 2015 at 6:25pm
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I think I'm just gonna do a straight-up monk life next. I've been trying to avoid but but... ya know, whatever. It's going to on an Iconic Bladeforged because I just have to have that old-time blue-bar-a-self-healin.

I'm open to suggestions on splash-builds but I'm really just thinking I'll go pure. Fuck the +1 Heart, I don't care.

Anyway, I'd like to put together a list of gear I'll want so I can grind it all out during this life. I've already got an Aspect of Mineral II helmet and a Concordant Opposition belt(so plenty of SP for blue-bar healing) plus a lot of the other really basic must-have bits of equipment.

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Starkjade wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 6:52pm:
Unarmed?


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Vampiric stonedust wraps can be nice if used properly.  I could suggest devotion or eternal rest wraps as well.    Frozen tunic is nice to have as well..   LVL 12+ versions, i believe..

  

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Frozen tunic  = not going to work terribly well on a warforged.

Although... I do have 1 XP rock left... I COULD do a single fleshir heroic life and skip the lion's share of it. Hmmm.

Frozen tunic starts having Enhanced Ki at 16, but that's 14 with masterful craftsmanship. I'd just use Garments of Equilibrium, though, if I was doing a flesh life.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 8:16pm
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Spare hand (lv 12 version isnt as good since it got fixed)
Jizzed bracers or arkats cord (does the heroic version give reinforced fists), else guardian bracers
Vampiric stone dusts ->some random holy of stunning
Cannith challenge ring or titan gloves for the recon spellpower
I have lazy crafted guild slot resistance boots of feather falling until cannith propulsion boots and a guild slot imp false life of mod fort belt until thornes at 18
Cove gloves or the cannith str/alacrity/resistance ones

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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 10:13pm
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noamineo wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 6:55pm:
Haven't decided. What are the cool kids doing these days?


Unarmed falls well behind weapons into epic levels, just because a lot of the crit modifiers from destinies don't apply to handwraps.

You can make it work with short swords pretty easily, or with staves, although you'd want to splash at least 6 rogue for the thief-acrobat enhancements.  You can do longswords, too, but you'd probably need fighter levels for the feats.

I'm fairly certain stunning fist does not work with weapons, though, so  if you're a pick-em-off-one-at-a-time type, unarmed could work for you. 

Get +stunning items and +exceptional combat mastery items.  Seal of Dun'Robar has +10 stun  or excep +5 (along with +7 or +2 insight con/str/dex and dodge 8%), Consuming Darkness is a better choice for the excep. because it also has seeker.

You'll want Arkat's Cord (belt) or Prisoner's Manacles on a BF since you can't wear the +dmg step robes. 

Black Dragon docent, heroic and epic.

Heal amp gear, since your single recon won't always save you.

Ring of the Master Artificer for recon spell power and an emergency heal.

Deadly/accuracy, of course.

Something with Improved Deception can help, especially if you're soloing.  Backstabbers' Gloves, Golden Guile, lootgen weapons, or you can get it through enhancements if you have access to the Harper tree, although you'll be locking out other Tier 5 abilities.  Better through gear, I think.

A sheltering item, the lvl 19 guardian's ring is awesome until you get to the ENecroIV helms.

I'm not listing stuff by level, and there might be some slot swapping you'll have to do, but this should give you some idea of what to look for.
  

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Starkjade wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 10:13pm:
I'm fairly certain stunning fist does not work with weapons, though, so  if you're a pick-em-off-one-at-a-time type, unarmed could work for you. 


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Munkenmo wrote on Mar 13th, 2015 at 12:26am:
2 druid = best of both


I knew you'd be here to say that.

Yes, wolf form makes handwraps somewhat viable, and allows you to stunning fist with a weapon.
  

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noamineo wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 7:20pm:
Frozen tunic starts having Enhanced Ki at 16, but that's 14 with masterful craftsmanship. I'd just use Garments of Equilibrium, though, if I was doing a flesh life.

lvl 1 actually.. but meh
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Starkjade wrote on Mar 12th, 2015 at 10:13pm:
Unarmed falls well behind weapons into epic levels, just because a lot of the crit modifiers from destinies don't apply to handwraps.

You can make it work with short swords pretty easily, or with staves, although you'd want to splash at least 6 rogue for the thief-acrobat enhancements.  You can do longswords, too, but you'd probably need fighter levels for the feats.

I'm fairly certain stunning fist does not work with weapons, though, so  if you're a pick-em-off-one-at-a-time type, unarmed could work for you. 

Get +stunning items and +exceptional combat mastery items.  Seal of Dun'Robar has +10 stun  or excep +5 (along with +7 or +2 insight con/str/dex and dodge 8%), Consuming Darkness is a better choice for the excep. because it also has seeker.

You'll want Arkat's Cord (belt) or Prisoner's Manacles on a BF since you can't wear the +dmg step robes. 

Black Dragon docent, heroic and epic.

Heal amp gear, since your single recon won't always save you.

Ring of the Master Artificer for recon spell power and an emergency heal.

Deadly/accuracy, of course.

Something with Improved Deception can help, especially if you're soloing.  Backstabbers' Gloves, Golden Guile, lootgen weapons, or you can get it through enhancements if you have access to the Harper tree, although you'll be locking out other Tier 5 abilities.  Better through gear, I think.

A sheltering item, the lvl 19 guardian's ring is awesome until you get to the ENecroIV helms.

I'm not listing stuff by level, and there might be some slot swapping you'll have to do, but this should give you some idea of what to look for.


Um, just wanna make sure this advice isnt taken too seriously: black dragon armor fucking sucks on unarmed, srsly there is no weapon or fighting style or w/e that would benefit less from the in itself already shitty black gh armor. Stone heart would likely be best for lvls 23-25, if u would wanna bother.... then onto shadowscale outfit.

In that same light you would say that the seeker on consuming darkness is not something u wanna get excited about. Monks crit 10% for x2, assuming you got IC. 10 seeker therefore comes down to an average of 2 damage per hit, on targets with 0% fortification (10 × 2 × 10%). Unarmed shouldnt bypass a lot of fort cuz, u know, it can hardly crit less: no precision or dragons edge so pretty much no dps gain vs the uncrittable...

Arkat's cord and the prisoners manacles are awful, gross, terribad items. But do not fret! For .5 x 1d8 is a shitty 2.25 damage per hit.

Unarmed's advantage is stunning fist. It should be on cooldown non-stop, stunned targets are automatically always vulnerable to sneak damage, therefore an (improved) deception item wouldnt do much for ya. However the sneak attack bonus items are super neat on a stunner.

I rambled enough. These items are an absolute must-have for unarmed IMO:

Greensteel smoke. Stacking hp/sp but its mostly about the perma-blur and 3 min displacement clickie, this item will save ur life most often by far.
Epic boots of the innocent. Stunning +12, nuff said.
Belt of the sun-soul -> Epic belt of thoughtful remembrance.
Bracers of the sun-soul -> Epic ethereal bracers.
Epic spare hand.
Mythic emerald gaze.
Grave wrappings or even better: stunning wraps with a red slot (lootgen or fuly upgraded antipode) for a ruby of reconstruction 90/114. So you're not stuck with that lame epic ring of master artifice.
As u get the stunning boots @ 27, only then can u smack bitches with TF, without losing 10 stun DC.
Epic ring of the stalker is nice for ghostly and SA, seal of avithoul as well.
Oh, and yeah the ML 19 guardian's ring is the best source of prr until lvl 27.


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+20 heart of wood to TR into a useful class.
  

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MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Monks crit 10% for x2


Monks hit for 10% *3, no monk should ever be outside of earthstance.

That's a problem in an of itself though too.
  

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Stunning dunrobar ring so you don't have to use shitty stunning wraps like antipode... Go TF or adamantine. Thunderand lightening are junk too.
  

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MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
already shitty black gh armor


5% damage boost, haste guard, and 10% armor piercing.  Traded for +8 stat, +6 protect, +6 resist. All easily slotted elsewhere.  And you can wear the docent at 15, which is part of the level range the OP was asking for.

MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Monks crit 10% for x2, assuming you got IC. 10 seeker therefore comes down to an average of 2 damage per hit, on targets with 0% fortification (10 × 2 × 10%). Unarmed shouldnt bypass a lot of fort cuz, u know, it can hardly crit less: no precision or dragons edge so pretty much no dps gain vs the uncrittable...


As Munk said, it's x3 in Earth Stance (the finest of stances.)  And two damage a swing does add up, especially on a newer player that probably doesn't have high end tomes and a bunch of past lives.  And everyone wants bigger crits.  Everyone.  It's exciting to see how high you can go.  He also said he was undecided as to whether he was using weapons or unarmed.  My advice stands.

MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Arkat's cord and the prisoners manacles are awful, gross, terribad items. But do not fret! For .5 x 1d8 is a shitty 2.25 damage per hit.


They are, unarmed is, but if you're going that way, any little bit helps.  See above for value of extra little bits of damage adding up.  By your math, taking the enhancement to make your unarmed 1d8 instead of 1d6 isn't worth taking, because it's such a small amount, but I didn't see you mention that.

MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Unarmed's advantage is stunning fist. It should be on cooldown non-stop


Here, we agree.  But what about bosses, or other mobs that are immune to stun?  If only there was some way to make them take sneak attack...

MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
therefore an (improved) deception item wouldnt do much for ya.


Unless you're swapping it in to fight bosses, or combining it with fort bypass (the one that was called useless earlier) to get your sneak attack on 100%+ fort mobs.  Another neato feature of deception is that when a mob isn't facing you, it isn't hitting you, either.  You can decide just how "much" that's worth to ya.

Basically, if you go unarmed, you're going to want as many little boosts to damage as you can get, and much +stun as you can find, and as many weapon effects as you can proc.  If going armed, normal rules apply.

MisterHank wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 9:49pm:
Greensteel smoke. Stacking hp/sp but its mostly about the perma-blur and 3 min displacement clickie, this item will save ur life most often by far.


No argument here.  Blur can be slotted elsewhere, but the displacement clicky beats the hell out of scrolls.  I do have a question I've been meaning to ask, though, the GS 20% miss chance is typed as Smoke Screen instead of Blurry.  Is this bypassed by true seeing, or is it typed like the miss chance from fog-type spells?  Anyone?

The other items you listed are great, and best-in-slot at 28.  But if you're not planning on staying 28 for long, you might not want to spend the time farming them (although some are BTA and useful on many builds.)
  

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I still like tod rings even tho they clearly suck now.

oremi with flame burst and crusty with holy burst-> extra 4d6+2 damage with set.

Btw oremi henshyn mystic set 1d6 fire does not stack with epic red dragon armors, but the flaming burst on the ring does.  Angry
  

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Jizzed bracers


Yuck. I don't think I'd want to wear those.  Huh
  
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