Do I simply not understand how "awesome" this quest is because I never played it as a PnP module?
It seems like a pretty boring dungeon. Granted I didn't explore every single nook and cranny in the place, but I did complete both parts on EH solo (because I'm a terrible player) and I am left feeling very underwhelmed. VERY underwhelmed.

So it it just that I don't have grey pubes and am not old as shit to enjoy this update?

I didn't find it particularly interesting, no new mechanics or anything to hold my interest. I had some fun running it on EE with guild members but nothing to write home about as an experience.

I agree. It didn't seem very imaginative.

The stat tomes you can get will have me running it for at least the first week before the seemingly inevitable nerf to drop rates that come with new content after a certain period of time. If it had good loot, it would hold my interest longer than that.  I wish the devs could grasp what I just wrote, but I am not confident they are able to. The loot doesn't have to make everything else obsolete in order to be interesting either.

Revaulting wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:


I agree.  should have been a huge explorer area with lots of separate quests.  nothing like TOEE I remember.

rest wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:


In PnP, most things depend on DM and computer adaptations are not always the same thing.

rest wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:


On the other hand, sometimes even grey pubes don't help.

I am missing Nulb and of course Bertram

Listened to the Ventrilo conversation of a couple of guildies running ToEE last night, it ended with a "I'm never running this again, what a stupid quest mechanic."

I guess I'll give it a shot tonight, see what I can.

Other than the +7 tome...absoulute snorefest.

Just a bunch of random ogres and orcs and other assholes packed into rooms that were lagging the shit out of the group last night...just run down a long hallway kill some dudes...

Run into some rooms...kill some dudes

Part 2...lag to death w/ 70 mobs in a DA...run

Go into windy room...jump around

Fight Evil God of Shrooms...get shit

FUCKING. LAME.

This isn't really TOEE, as many people have said.  It is one part of TOEE, the easiest part to do.  Basically, if you took any module in existence and took a dungeon map of a single location in that module and dropped it into a random location with no back story, no real plot, and no lore how great could it really be?  It's just random stand alone quest X. 

To do TOEE right, it needed to be much bigger.  It needed to be Homlett with a series of small quests, The boathouse, the battlefield graveyard, an adventure area, Nulb (with more quests), and then the Temple.  And take some time to incorporate the storyline into the lore better.  Give people a reason to give a shit.  (Those who play the game for a reason other than just character power progression, anyways).

And offer a few really good items of loot.  NOT A LOT.  A few.  If every quest/quest chain offered a few really good somethings that were best in slot for a build or two, that would be a great thing.  Then let the raids provide general purpose gear.  This way, all quest chains retain some value and replay-ability and you aren't constantly invalidating and replacing loot.  That's how it used to be.  But they cater to loud crying instant gratification idiots on the forums now rather than having a loot plan.

For me its nostalgia and playing something closer to PnP.

I'm really enjoying a DDO quest with wandering monsters per the PnP rules.
Its great that a different set of monsters can show up in an area you've already been through.

I appreciate some of the little things like footprints leading to a secret door....very old school

Enerjay wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 11:40am:


I'm glad you like it and getting some enjoyment from it, but unfortunately for Turdbine, you're not in the majority it would seem.

On your loot comment, most comments I've read have no expectations that the loot supercedes anything.  It is possible to make attractive loot without invalidating other systems.  It can be unique abilities or positioned at a level to make it attractive (ie. better than lower level quest loot or rangen).

I personally think the epic loot has been positioned incorrectly at lvl 26.  It should be lower, say ML21-25 to be competitive and useful.  Even this has a problem.  To be running lvl 30 content, you're likely to be lvl 28.  So you're grinding for gear below your level and lesser than TF.  The only valid niche that I have read for this gear is people who refuse to do raids.  Otherwise, if you're at cap and grinding, you may as well grind for TF gear.

As others have suggested, if Turdbine had wanted ML26 loot, they should have looked at epicifying the Earthshatter war hammer.  Something situationally useful and not uber.  Being TOEE, the was an opportunity to produce several weapons like this that do not eclipse TF or the impending Vale eGS.

The caster sticks and armor are a joke.

This is a level 30 quest (ie. End game content), and most of the loot is close to being eclipsed by lower level quest loot or rangen stuff.

I haven't looked at the Heroic stuff yet, so can't really comment.
Except to say that getting ML7 drops in epic chests is sloppy work.

Revaulting wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:


This. So much this.

I personally like it, but that's mainly because it's something new.

I lament that Turbine doesn't have the resources for development, because even on a shoe-string budget and a rushed time-line there were a few good moments in there.

We can only imagine what might have been...

Heh... ran this last night with a friend.. he likes to run with me because my Woof build is kinda insane.. he gets massive slayer counts because I gen all this agro then stun the snot out of everything.. and even if his assassinate fails, the target is so week it dies anyways..

So we more or less waltz thru to the final bitch fight, and she does a kind of wave attack not unlike what you see in MOD from Vol.. it startled me.. my partner dies, and I do a fast heal and then have to swap to human so I can pull a rez scroll.. during the 5 seconds it took to try, she cast it again and I dropped dead. Caught me off guard, considering I'm pretty used to being able to shrug off just about anything.

NOW I understand, I'm supposed to hide behind the sheltering mushroom when she preps that shit... so going to give it another go this weekend.

Have to admit... not terribly impressed by the loot drops. At least I was able to buy back every epic wonder wand I tossed.. LAWL

To be fair.. I would probably do sexual favors for staff if they implemented the entire run of SSI's AD&D gold box games *sigh*