They don't have the manpower.

Who Cares wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

What does that mean?


I think at this point it's a conscious decision on Turbine's part.  They probably feel - rightly or wrongly - that mass banning would have such a detrimental effect on the server population that it's not worth it.  I'd imagine it's sort of like some civil offenses... in NYC, you're not really allowed to have open fires in your yard (like a firepit), but they don't give a shit until somebody complains, and even then they'll mostly just show up and tell you to put it out.

If somebody's linking 5,000 phlogs in General, and it gets reported a bunch, they'll look at you, but otherwise they let it slide.  There's no technical reason why they couldn't take a few minutes and do some inventory scans.

</pure speculation>

Arkat wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:


Wonder how many other gaming forums he rounded up to post his ghost whining.
Gay and Retarded I officially deem thee.
And Hi Welcome.

Arkat wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:


You are incorrect.

Meursault wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:



And Mechwarrior has actually rankings of a sort, so that combined with pvp can make for some very angry players.

Additionally Bloomberg's reported last summer that Mechwarrior players spend more on a individual basis on the  'F2P' game then any other non-mobile F2P game in the market (which is remarkable considering the long list of failed stated goals). The fanaticism of MW players makes D&D fans look rather calm and restrained.

The irony being that it's much more of a whining issue among DDO, not that red hot fury at being beaten by a "cheater" yet Turbine is unlikely to touch it with a ten-foot pole.

Ah Pook wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:



It seems to me that if they were going to go for some type of "public shaming," at least from what I have seen on G-Land, It would take 1000 man hours just to get started. It is the main reason I never felt the need to dupe anything. If I needed something, fuck all I had to do was ask in any fucking group if anyone had an extra xxxx, wait an hour and run to the mailbox.

gumba wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:


LMAO! Always nice to know I'm not the craziest crazy on the block 

Sasha wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:



They lose the access to the forums and get labeled Banned  Cheater on forum profiles, yes.

But they also lose their playing account, including all associated playing accounts, and those accounts are still searchable in-game, via-PM, on factions lists, where they are publicly labeled "Banned Cheater" meaning that it lives on, as long the game lives on.

For instance when someone thinks, hey I wonder how my old lancemate Frank the Ferret in the FRR is doing? and then looks him up? it will still list Frank but it will also list that he is "Banned Cheater".  So merc groups will have any busted cheaters listed publicly on their forums and in game musters.

Pretty big step away from the "never speak of cheating" rules they had and that Turbine still has.

See the difference from what you are suggesting is a win-win? You may think it's a hoot and start a new pilot on a new account, but you will have to drop cash (lots in MWO), build up pilot ranks (same), and all your old dropping buddies might not be keen to have you around anymore.

Russ Bullock owner and chief pilot of PGI is a terrible human being, barely passable coder, incompetent businessman, transparently dishonest PR man, but in spite of all those flaws he has Balls the size of watermelons, he just doesn't give a fuck, or thought to future consequences.

The fact that he has made a insane amount of money in the past three years even while his company has been publicly shamed and roasted by it's customer base for failing again and again practically guarantees he feels free to act like this.

Personally I don't know how I feel about the Public posting and shaming of cheaters, in MWO or DDO. But I am very interested in the process and how different kinds of companies handle it.

And PGI and Turbine are in the same field and have the same type of niche costumer base yet are so different, which makes it really interesting.

I should apologize for being interested in something and posting about it because I thought others might be as well?

Me, I don't have immediate answers, and opinions about everything, it takes me a while to a get those, pesky thinking and all.

I know it must be boring to know it all, thanks for your patience.

gumba wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

Yes. After all, it's your fault.

gumba wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:


Out of curiosity at your curiosity....

So Tranquil is a brand new sock account created today and your 1st post on the Vault is about this subject in MWO.

You're either regular who created this sock for this posting, which is unlikely as you've taken the time to select an appropriate avatar pic and quirky little description.  Most socks don't attract that much effort.

Or you're not a regular, and just happened to stumble onto this website and start a discussion about bannings in MWO and the relevance to DDO (which is virtually none).  Wow, what an amazing coincidence and so soon after Cordo floated the idea.

Your post has been carefully scripted, it is not a thought bubble.  You references and assertions are well thought out and researched.
Your response to Sasha indicates a very deep knowledge of the subject matter, like someone in the industry.  I've never even heard of Russ Bullock, yet you know him like he is your neighbor.  I've played DDO since the start and I have never known or cared who the head of Turdbine is.

Also, your OP starts with a summary, has the correct spelling and prose (very non Vault-like) and even contains a few swear words to help resonate with the natives here. 
Your subsequent responses are formal and polite, but firm and no-nonsense tolerated.

Me thinks sir you have another agenda.
Were you hoping to stir up a shit storm and make the Vaulties fearful and froth at the mouth?  Or you just came by for a chat with a bunch of cheaters?

gumba wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:


Why?  Are you studying the psychology of gamers who cheat?  Do you work for a game company and seeking insight how to stop cheating?

gumba wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

As most have said, it's the small differences that make the difference.
PvP and PvE are two different psychological beasts in the eyes of most consumers.
Given your knowledge of everything around this, me thinks you already know the answers you are looking for.
So why are you really here?

gumba wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:


No.