DropBear wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 5:55am:

I have always suspected they had people posting under different accounts to show customer satisfaction on forums. No real players would be so supportive of getting their game experience ruined every other update.

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 3:59am:


We agree on the need for moderation on a company run website - I have not stated otherwise.

By professional moderator, I meant it as a behavioral description - to behave in a professional manner.
I could be paid to be a gigolo - but that fact in itself, doesn't necessarily make me any good at it.

Regarding a professional in this area, it could be something along the lines of a Communications or Business Marketing degree would also be appropriate for this field, but not a prerequisite.

I have never spent much time on gaming forums other than DDO and LOTRO, but in my younger years I misspent many years running gaming conventions and I understand that gamers can be a difficult bunch to corral.
My orgn does run several professional forums though and discussions there can get quite energised as egos are involved, but so long as the rules are understood and enforced, most people are fine.  Those that don't follow the rules lose access.

I think it was Arkat that suggested that a simple policy is the best one and I agree.
Honesty and respect is a good starting point for both Turbdine and the players, but Jerry's legacy prevents that.
You don't need 48 nebulous rules with which to confound and confuse people with your quasi-legal application of thus.
You should be free to speak your mind, even to critique Turdbine, so long as it is not offensive or disrespectful.  It can be done.  You can criticise Turdbine and others without flaming them with a little bit of effort.
By allowing more open discussion, it would show a level of organisational maturity unseen at Turdbine.  It would be their way of showing "We can cop criticism on the chin", but we'll also respond to your critiques with facts, so beware you don't make a fool of thyself amongst your peers.

What Jerry is currently doing, by choice or not, is completely wrong.  Attempting to delete any posts that hurts Sev_Pay's feelings is just stupid.  Applying the banhammer in a nonsensical and inconsistent manner is just wrong.
I believe this is the track record of behaviour that Hag was referring to, which makes it untenable for Jerry to remain in that role if Community Relations are ever to be improved.


The moderator's job is an important, but thankless role.
The company's forums is one of the few ways it can directly interact with some of it's customers in a live manner.
You can find out what your customer's are thinking without the need for polls, surveys or other feedback mechanisms.  And gamers are wanting to give feedback - sure you need filters, but they care enough to complain.  In most businesses, you don't know you've lost a customer until it is too late.

Hag Master wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:28am:

Good job.  Way to sum up your ignorance in one easy sentence.  Even an 8-year-old CoD player wouldn't make that mistake.

Christ, shut the fuck up already.  Every time you post, everybody gets a little dumber.  You have absolutely zero to contribute, it's all stupid insults and mindless yapping like a puppy.

Hag Master wrote on Jun 1^st, 2015 at 10:43pm:

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Hag Master wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2015 at 8:28am:


You say he's such an incompetent, but refuse to say what his job description actually is.  It's the perfect place to argue from.  "No, you're wrong.  No, you're wrong.  No, you're wrong."  That doesn't make you the great debater, it's just post-count padding.  Obviously that's important to you, so carry on.  Don't expect me to read any more of it though.

Gimme a break.  At the risk of outing myself, I've been working on games for longer than you've been playing them.  Every time you fucking post here, you're using software I helped write.  Know how I know what a producer does?  I work with them every day.  Maybe one day if you ever get out of your mom's basement and get a GED, stop flipping burgers for a living and can wear something other than a uniform, you'll look back and say "wow, I really didn't know anything."  I won't hold my breath, though.  I'd suggest therapy, but there's no way you could afford the amount you need. 

In conclusion, go fuck yourself.  You're a waste of air.  kthxbye

DropBear wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

Only one way to find out.   

We agree on all of this.  I just don't think it's quite that easy.  I absolutely believe you could swap Jerry out with a communications major and things would be better, but they still might not be *good*.  That's the disadvantage official forums will always have - they can never be as open.  There's way more chaff here, boobs and videos and insults and what not, but the technical discussions can hone in pretty quickly on what the real problems are.  In official forums, if you say "you're retarded, and here's why," and then provide in-depth technical reasons that are perfectly correct, you're still going to get smacked.

Turbine would do well with a moderation team.  Even pick some of the normal posters for that - somebody who doesn't have a 5-digit post count, and has shown to be reasonable in the face of sputtering outrage.  The problem now is that it's just one guy, he's overloaded, and doesn't know any other way to moderate than going nuclear - post deletions, bans, and snarky updates.  These aren't particularly busy forums, comparatively, but think of it from his perspective - it's 14 hours a day of constant bitchiness.  Now that Leslie_Butthurt has turned to the dark side, nobody except Turdh is really happy with the state of the game.  It's all complaints about shitty drop rates, shitty bugs, and the tug of war between "___ is OP" and "DON'T TOUCH MY ___!!!1!"

I am reminded, as always, of my favourite PA strip (except for claw shrimp, maybe):




Anyway, don't get one new person moderating, get five.  Balance it out a little so you can do some more nuanced moderation instead of all-or-nothing post wipeouts since your single point of failure is burned out from reading shit 80 hours a week.

Flav wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:39am:


If you think removing the streak will get us to join n00bs running normal or hard you're out of your mind.

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:



Silly Pook, scrambling again, why is it that whenever you get outed you just keep making bigger and bigger bullshit claims? hmm we may never know.

Otherwise, you Pook were the one who posted:

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:


When you were dumb enough to post this 4 days ago we asked you to explain specifically how he had performed brilliantly and you couldn't.  First you tried to use Drop's post and when that didn't work you tried to pivot the argument and get others to explain to you what a producer does because... you don't know and you could only start making bullshit answers up when you had something to base them on. 

Because you don't know, and no one was gullible enough to explain for you what a producer actually does you were NEVER ABLE to explain what Sev did much less give examples of how he "performed brilliantly while doing it. Every time we reminded you about it and pointed out that you still hadn't been able to explain or show even the most rudimentary knowledge, you would panic and start spewing more childish insults while you again attempted to distract and dodge.... unsuccessfully.

And now? well now you have really painted yourself into a corner with your lies and exaggerations, and you have decided to try the "Cetus Tactic" which is hilarious.

Like Cetus when you get caught in a lie and clearly can't display the simplest understanding or knowledge of a subject you have been posting about, you whip up a imaginary "career" and "qualifications" as a pathetic defense.

So now you're going to tell us all how you wrote our software...he he he  and let's see, according to your post, you claim that you have been "working on games" longer than I have been playing, so I guess that means you're claiming to have been at it for more than 30 years, snicker snicker.

The best, and I do mean best of all? You were so desperate and stupid that you actually were foolish enough to post this little gem:

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:


"I work with them every day" Really? wow, that means that you can now without delay or any more stalling explain to us all in detail exactly what a producer does, and much more importantly exactly how it is that Sev_Pay has been "performing brilliantly" while doing it right?

I mean it stands to reason that since you see it "daily" you don't need to take another 4 days to finally be able to come up with the explanations and knowledge that you deal with every day on your "job" working on games. Right?

Right?


God, I just laughed so hard when I saw you had been stupid enough to write that, I mean come on!  even Cetus wouldn't have been foolish enough to trap himself like you just did.





And Pook? just in case you don't already know it? that's check-mate.

Drop: 2+2 = 4
Hag: wuts 2+2?
Quoting Drop: "2+2 = 4"
Hag: nonono ur dum you dn't kno wut 2+2 is

If somebody says something correct, and I agree, because I'm saying it, it becomes wrong?  That's cute.

You're so deperate for attention I feel sorry for you.  This constant need to fit in gets depressing.

Were you home-schooled or something?  You seem to have missed the point where hitting girls on the schoolground to show you like them isn't cool anymore.  Your total crush on Thaz was cute, except when you slipped up and professed your true love, and then denied it over and over.

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Hag Master wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

You're adorable.  The only leash you're yanking is the David Carradine one.  Yap away, puppy.

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:



Sigh, so much fail.

Give it a rest Pooky it's embarrassing and boring and you're making me feel stupid for sticking up for you.

I will also offer this advice, when your down to your balls it's time to pull your junk out of the meat-grinder.

Arkat wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:


hehe it wasn't different at the lotro forums and I heard the ic forums were toxic also. The forum mods for every single turbine game acted very similar. Cordo is an ass, yes, the marching orders from above are to keep the forums full of happy people loving their games.

It will stay this way until some WB exec with power plays one of turbines games and then visits either this site or lotrocommunity. That wont happen.

Bigjunk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:


Vets + Noobs = Frustrated/Abused Noobs who can't pretend they have Epeen,

Pjlease bitches

Ah Pook wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 6:36pm:



Ha ha ha, you are still trying to get other people to explain what a producer does for you? so you can try to riff on that and pretend to know?  It didn't work the first 9 times you tried this teen-age debater tactic, but seems you keep trying to float it and crossing your fingers, I guess it makes sense because you backed yourself into the corner. Very humorous to watch.

And even better you, the person who publicly posted that Sev_Pay was "performing brilliantly" and then couldn't explain how you came to that conclusion is now asking someone else to explain Sev_Pay's performance for him.

Priceless example of how you are ignorant on both counts.

So yet another post where you couldn't begin to explain or understand what a producer does after talking shit you couldn't back up. Hey! what about the producers you "work with daily"?  when your "writing the software we post with"? ha ha ha.

Check mate again toddler.  Although it hardly counts since you did more to humiliate yourself than any of us could have imagined.

Bigjunk wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:


No, because they won't be able to handle Madstone by LVL 8, and they'll get utterly lost just getting there.... ( and die a few time )
But at least it will kill the main whining reason for the lack of LFM ( I probably won't change anything on that side either ).

On the other side, the L33t streak assholes ( those that just can't break said streak once in a while [ we all know it takes half an hour to recover it ] ) will not be able to whine
that their strea was broken by a n00b...
And we also will see if they are so l33t as they say ( It takes skill to do Crucible at LVL 8 for example... even on Normal with a full party  )

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:


with the underlevel bonus they can have a small epeen... and those that can handle it can have a large/big epeen.
If done the right way ( ok, I'm dreaming here... Turbine ) they can have more epeen level than the N/H/E streak ( say 5 for example )