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Quote Originally Posted by Crane_Mace  View Post
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I am not a Developer for Turbine, nor do I work for any part of Warner Brothers. (*disclaimer I have worked for some part of DnD in one form or another (will not disclose) before)

I am not on the Players Council, nor have I been. I probably will not be in the future.

I am a daily player and reader of forums, watcher of livestreams by Dev's and Turbine employees; and do participate in Dev events on Lamannia. (Daily play will be subject to change in the near future)

I have at least half a brain, and do have developer experience (again, will not disclose any more details, nor can I).

I pay attention and am extremely observant and insightful (or so I've been told many many MANY times).

I can only paraphrase, but it has been said in numerous ways, in numerous formats by numerous official people basically what I said.

What did I say? Well I said that the Dev's have continual, often never publically documented, fixes and upgrades to the game.

So to remind everyone of this : Every software company has continual fixes and upgrades to any and all live software. e.g. Windows update; Mac Update; Linux builds; EllisDee37's Character Builder Lite (see link in my sig).

So to summarize and to reinform you of what I have told you I would say, and then said what I was going to say: DDO continually has internal bug fixes and upgrades they don't tell us about, and nor should they.

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Just to be clear for anyone keeping score, you are saying that you are not a developer, not a Turbine employee and not a players council member. Fine, expected as much.

So now, that means you're working with the exact same facts and information that I have. I play daily and read and view all the sources you named plus more beyond that. Additionally I actively participate in all dev events in Lammania and live. Lucky for me I also have a full brain (your implied brain insult was breaking the COC by the way) and daily I am being told just how observant, insightful, terribly clever, and detail oriented that I am. How great are we eh?

And while we both have identical data and reasoning, there is one thing it appears that you have the I don't, A Agenda.

Because I treat DDO, Turbine, and the Development team in a dispassionate, unbiased, and rational matter I am able to offer a far more cognizant observation than a that of a long self-declared fan/defender like yourself. Your love of the game, Turbine, and the team blind you to the obvious facts regarding long standing bugs, and the eternal known issues list. You are a self appointed volunteer public relations rep, who cannot make or abide any statements that do not sing the praises of Turbine and this game.

Since I am a more recent arrival and have not tied myself so closely to the game or it's developers I able able point out the good and bad freely, with clear eyes in hopes that the team will take note and strive to fix problems.

Apologists for the game like yourself hurt it much more than your blind devotion ever helps it. While developers appreciate support, they need real feedback not spin to keep the ship on course.

So, as I said before the numerous legacy bugs and the lag should be addressed without any further delay, and I will go farther to say they should be dealt with as the highest priority, even at the cost of new content for the time being.

Well you didn't read very well. I DO have Developer experience and DO have commercial software (code) writing experience (at the microcode, os, and app level).

I do not apologize for the game, and most certainly am subjective with what I say because everyone perceives things differently.

I do not think the game is perfect, in fact far from it. I DO perceive the game is going in the right direction and DO understand that limited resources are the normal, and that we as players need to be (somewhat) understanding and be willing to work with the Dev's in making sure our game survives another 10 years.

I DO understand that many more bugs are fixed than ever reported, and the number of fixes and upgrades if disclosed would astound you. This is industry standard - standard the entire world over.

This game is over 10 years old (yes OVER 10 because the core engine and core code was being written before it was made public even in Beta).

And because I have been here from basically the beginning I have an OBJECTIVE overview of the entire life of this game, and its bugs and its lag; this game is in great shape and continues to evolve and progress in a player positive direction.

Calling this game unplayable - well go play DDO for Dummies then or another game - all of whom have more bugs and lag than DDO (this is especially true of WoW) - and go play amongst the bots (the number of bots directly correlates to just how boring the game is (ie more bots = more boring))

You are entitled to your subjective perspective and corresponding opinions, as is everyone else. Saying you are objective is misleading; saying you are without agenda is also misleading; saying that you are lead by facts alone is also misleading. You are (I am presuming) a human and therefor subject to all human conditions including perspective bias. A large part of your bias is an account started in this month of the current year (which makes me ponder many tangents concerning very recently started accounts with its only posts in this thread).

My opinion of your opinion has been stated. I play the game and will continue to do so because I enjoy doing so. I readily admit my Player-centric bias.

-*-No I read it just fine, as you pointed out: You are not a DDO developer, you do not write code for DDO, you are not on the players council, and you do not work for Turbine.


So as I pointed out to you before this means that you and I have all the same data and nigh identical reasoning capacity, as I have developer experience and wrote code for a living as well, Twinsies!

The only thing that you have that I don't have is the aforementioned agenda, which 45-70% of you posts illustrate on a daily basis. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with having agenda so don't puff up about it please, it's existence is empirically manifest you posting history. No one who had read your excellent and often funny post history could ever arrive at the conclusion that you are objective in regards to the game and any problems it may have. But don't feel too bad, loyalty is a excellent quaulity, just not objective.

Because of your personal investment in the game and the agenda that it drives you make a great many assumptions. To say something so bald as "many more bugs are fixed than ever reported, and the number of fixes and upgrades if disclosed would astound you." is just wishful thinking without access to the data that you would only have access to as a Dev, PC, Turbine employee, all of which you have admitted that you are not.

No amount, or depth of personal experience as you claim to have, would allow someone to just know the amount of bug fixing Turbine has or has not done without the real kind of data and facts not available to a fellow on the outside like you and I. All that your extensive last post did was to give voice to your hopes for the game regarding bugs and lag

I on the other hand do not have agenda driven by intense personal in the game, if you would like to continue to hint as you did that do have a agenda, I would have to insist that you provide some facts or examples of that... other than the fact that I disagreed with you on this issue.

Since late last year I have paid to play this game, and I continue to do so, but unlike yourself I look at it with rational and realistic eyes. By examining all the data and information available I have no choice but conclude that bugs and lag continue to exist unabated, in fact several are years old. Turbine's failure to address them is a genuine problem for a newer players like myself, the bugs and lag threaten the retention of us, why would I stay with a game that can't fix a problem like lag or bugs? things that I have been dealing with as a player and a customer every month since I started playing?

Unlike you, I don't have a decade of play invested in the game, so it is much easier for someone like me to take a step back look at a problem and see that they haven't fixed the vast majority of problems that affected the quality of game play when I started 9 months ago.



-*-You know there is something that I just don't get about you Uur, why don't you support other posters when they ask the publisher to hold off on new content until they can get a handle on the bugs and lag?

Is your knee-jerk reaction to anyone who points out a real problem Turbine has so bad that you can't see that these are players willing to forego new content so that Turbine can get the game in it's best shape. Can't you see that urging Turbine to get it's DDO house in order is what is best for the game you love? These posters are willing to deny themselves new quests and loot if it will give the publisher the time and resources to sort the problems out, but you just attack them and try to diminish the validity of their grievances out of habit.

That doesn't help the game's long term potential, it only serves to endorse poor short term thinking on the part of the publisher all while you and those like you keep running interference and apologizing for their subpar performance and product.

You and those like you have a very unhealthy relationship with the game, Turbine continues to fail to fix it's problems while you continue to pretend there are none. You are enabling Turbine to drive something beautiful that you love into the ground when you do that.

Like I said, very unhealthy.

Crane_Mace,

I have it on good authority Uurlock and Cordovan are RL friends. I'd bet real money that is why Uurlock will never be on the PC (conflict of interest?). It would also explain the volunteer public relations rep behavior you seem to have observed in your post above. Finally, it explains some of what appears to be some "insider knowledge" you questioned Uurlock about.