geoffhanna wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 8:41am:


Nothing to hate.

just side comment : I don't hate Jerry... I just don't like some of the Stupid Corporate Policy he is forced to enforce and
I think he should at least try to do something about some of them ( the most stupid ones ).
Like all the Humans he has his good sides and his bad sides...

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I'm sure even Hitler's dogs were fiercely loyal to him.  Insert appropriate joke about your mouth and Jerry's dick here.

After reading Geoffs article much of what he said rings true, though he was definately quite harsh in his description of the vault. (I'm like a 4 year lurker lol)

At the end of the day though Jerry is portraying the vault as an anti DDO type establishment (read his rant about the vault somewhere recently) yet it is far from that.
The reason for most peoples negative attitude is that they in fact either love or loved the game of DDO and it's hard to let it go, (esp. when other game developers are releasing absolute shit games that can hardly compete with DDO) but to many they still see the direction DDO is heading and don't like it.
You can hardly blame people for being disappointed with where DDO is heading, there was one point in time where you used to get the server full message, you could probably combine all servers now and log in without encountering that message.
It all stems from some really bad decisions made a couple of years ago and it seems the current developers and producers have not been able to stem the bleeding, but "hey lets raise cap to 30 cause fuck that'll work yall."

Decided this subject deserves more than just a little sarcasm and a lazy dick joke (btw, the answer was donuts and boobs.  The answer was never dicks).

Here is the absolutely nicest thing I can say about Jerry.  He's the wrong guy for a job that shouldn't exist.  That's so important I'm going to say it again.

He's the wrong guy for a job that shouldn't exist.

How many business can you think of that the public face of their corporation also acts as the public face of whatever nonsensical rules they want to enforce.  Let me save you the time, the answer is none.  Why?  It should be obvious - that's an insanely ludicrous business model.  Words almost escape me to how ridiculous the concept is.  Pretty much can only be described with 'fucking stupid.'

Can you imagine how far McDonalds would have went if they sent the guy in the clown makeup out to chase away loiterers?  'Hey, you need to buy some fries or get the fuck out.'  I've been having a hard time even coming up with an analogy just because it is so fucking ridiculous. 

You absolutely do not want the guy who can ban or discipline your customers to also be the face they see when you roll out changes.  These should absolutely be two complete and separate duties held by two completely different people.

So that's the last credit I'll give Jerry, he's stuck in an impossible position that shouldn't exist in any company.

Now it could  work if you had a one in a million type guy who was unbiased, personable, charismatic and knowledgeable about the product (or a hot chick might work as well) but the cold hard truth is - Jerry is none of these things.

The mad Jerry hate is pretty much on Jerry and only on Jerry.  Hell, I've never even been banned - I think I've only ranked up a single infraction in something like 5 or 6 years being active in the DDO community.  I have no reason to make this personal.  My dislike of Jerry is solely based on his job performance.  This many people don't turn sour for no reason.  Using Jerry is pretty much PR suicide.

I've consulted for much larger corporations than Turbine.  My first bit of advice for them wouldn't be to get rid of Jerry, but they at least need to separate forum mod from their PR face.  If money is that tight, have the forum mod scrub toilets at the end of the day.

But you absolutely need to get someone friendly, likable and, more importantly, knowledgeable about the game, in as your public face.  Depending how long you want to milk this game, you need to do some damage control and this area should be your number one concern.

OldCoaly wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 11:49am:


very well put old chap .......

A misconception like thinking every vaulty is here and hates Cunto because they were caught for exploiting is the true sign of a fanboi. You can't see what a lopsided fucktard he is Geoffy 

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This.

I've never gotten an infraction, nevermind a ban, thought that's largely because I haven't posted and barely read the main forums for the past 2 years. But I've seen too many posters trying to have an honest debate get bullied off by Fanbois and unfair moderation.

Do I hate Cordovan? No, but I sure hate the job he's doing. He's greatly harming the game, and for that I'll gladly give him a hard time. I don't make threats of harm, nor do I attack his personal life, but his moderation I will attack ceaselessly and feel good about that.

By the way, I'd like to make a distinction between fan and Fanboi, I don't mind fans supporting their arguments politely, if emphatiaclly, but I abhore the crap posters like Urlock pull. I'm giving you a civil reply because I don't recall ever seeing you pull that kind of play on anybody.

There is a whole community here that loves the game and would contribute quite a bit if Turbine would let us, but we're pushed out by policy and practice, so here we are. Not everyone, of course, some are largely as you imply, but to see you paint us all with the same brush is, well, sad.

Good luck, though.

Cheara wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:


sorry, I don't think his ethics will allow him to do so.

Cheara wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:


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Since his hate of people who dont own it. He has to own this one too. But then again all his posts are links to his site, so

Skoodge wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

However, they'd get my business loitering comedic appreciation. That's after Andy Kaufman's own heart.

Jerry chose the job. He knew what he was getting in to as well.

And he is a dick. Are you really trying to say that it is a part of his job description to allow his friends to troll and bait and get players worked up such that they get banned, while letting his friends do whatever they want?

Thats a pretty retarded job right there. Because all it does is damages the company.

My guess is, the producers actually have no idea what is going on, and if they bothered to take a look they would not be happy.

Well reasoned posts which would actually be beneficial to the game are getting deleted because his friends dont like having to admit that DDO has a lot of problems. They should all go through a 12 step program together. Maybe even stop after the 1st step.

Recognizing there is a problem.

DDO is great. But it is dying. And it doesnt have to die.

geoffhanna wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

He's not just the messenger, he has the power to discipline the Fanbois and chooses not to.

But maybe he is a good guy, and just didn't realize the harm he was doing. So if you're his friend, let him know. If he starts visibly and persistantly giving the trolls and baiters in the Fanboi camp the same treatment he gives their victims, I'm willing to reconsider my opinion of him and I bet others are too.

He can't do it for just a few weeks, I mean a long term change. I'm pretty skeptical after some of the "Oh, yeah, we get it now" lies I've heard from Turdbin, but I'll believe it when I see it.

There are a number of ways he could pull it off, but one possible would be when he gets a complaint about somebody, look at the post the person was responding to and if it was baiting or trolling give infractions to both and clearly mark both posts (the provoker and the responder) with an "Edit: Moderated to conform to CoC".

And it's important that he not lie about it - if we see the Urlocks running around getting their posts marked as moderated but they are still posting their venom, we'll know they aren't really earning infractions. Lies may work well on an audience that wants to believe, but we're expecting deceit at this point.

I doubt that he really is a good guy and will stop abusing the trust and power vested in him, but really, I'd love to be proven wrong. I'll even apologize 

The report button is at the heart of the problem. It represents an abdication of the responsibility of the host to monitor content posted on their own site. They rely on others to do it for them, which is a policy ripe for exploitation (see slashdot, reddit, or any other user moderated site), and it is exploited.

In order for moderation to be impartial, it has to be active, not passive. You have to actually read the shit that is posted on your site. You have to be vigilant. Open discussion forums over a certain size require a team of moderators to cover the whole clock.

Another issue is the language used in the community guidelines. They need to be hard and fast rules. Not guidelines.

The moderation bias is clear, regardless of its root cause, and it must be addressed to prevent further damage to the game.

Arkat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:


He's had too much of the Kool Aid.  Like the rest of turbine, he thinks he's doing a good job, and he's no longer capable of being objective about his performance or the performance of turbine.

If only he had a friend who cared about him....

geoffhanna wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:


No...No...No!

Obviously I'm not going to link anything and even saying this in the first place may be a bad idea but I really have to say it!

I've had 3 Infractions from Cordovan in the past few months that have had absolutely no infractable content in them!
He also hasn't even bothered replying to my last two appeals with ANY reason no matter a valid one!

While certain people on the forums get away with the most disgusting and vile abuse imaginable!

The shit I personally have had to put up with alone notwithstanding I've reported numerous posts attacking other people too and those posts are still there...Those posters are still spewing bile...And some of them have been getting very arrogant about their immunity in the past week too!

Cordovan is blatantly biased!


I've got no liking for the Vault - I'm sure almost everyone here knows this.
I'm certainly not going to defend the Vault BUT it seems that on the DDOForums it's now perfectly fine to make accusations against anyone you don't like of being a vaultie {whether that turns out to be true doesn't stop the accusation from being blatantly against the rules!}.

Also - Exactly what does it take to be seen as a Vaultie? You've posted here a number of times Geoff as have I - Are we Vaulties in Cordovan's eyes?