Angry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

What if it were more than 2 names/accounts that shared the same IP address? What if were more like 11?

What would you say then?

Angry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

You missed my point completely. Completely.

Angry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

TOR is quite popular and tries to use an exit node near the destination, so if they were both using TOR there is a good chance both would show the same IP.

And you can't rule out other situations - like with all of the new interconnects Comcast, AT&T, Cox, etc. are adding ahead of Net Neutrality, some might not be configured properly, and he might be seeing the IP of the interconnect.

Modern networks are complex, and IP address is a pretty weak identifier. It's like seeing 2 letters have the same postmark so they must be by the same person, or you both live in Boston, you must know each other 

Angry wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

Ok, what if there were 9 other people (all different forum names) who posted to the same obscure DDO-oriented fan site from the same IP address as Factor and Hammertop?

That makes 11 forum names posting to the same site from the same IP.

What would your conclusion be then?

That would make the things that others have been saying (Tor exit node, yadayada) even more likely. 1 sock, sure. 10 socks? Don't think even Barcelot was that extreme.

Flav wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

We know Geoff has an IP so I wouldn't say "we." YOU don't have the IP so YOU don't know.

WeHaveLived wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Could be even more socks that are, as yet, undiscovered. You don't know. Neither do I.

Arkat wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:


I'm beginning to think you are a woman.

Woman are often accused of not saying what they mean.

Arkat wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:


It's believable that Factor and HammerTop used the same IP. 

It's believable that they're the same person - the scenarios put forward to explain two different people having the same IP address are all edge cases and the likelihood is extremely low that two concurrent vault accounts who are also engaging in the same discussion at Geoff's site and are NOT the same person.

It wouldn't bother me to learn that Factor held a grudge against Jerry for the crap with Meli from last year, and that Factor created Hammertop to proxy troll Jerry through Jerry's Kids.

If that's the case, fine.  The Hammertop posts were carefully crafted to be compliant with Jerry's CoC and still aggravate  Jerry's Kids.


That doesn't change that Geoff's actions are disappointing, and that he should apologize to "Hammertop" for spinning Hammertop's message with his (Geoff's) words instead of simply [Snipping] out the "offending" text.

It also doesn't change the fact that "Hammertop" was getting abused by Jerry's Kids, that Jerry's Kids infract the CoC with impunity, and that it is absurd to say Jerry is too "super duper busy" to infract his kids, yet has time to infract everyone else, and Geoff should apologize for suggesting that this is the case.

Arkat wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:


I did not answer the question, as I didn't feel like you were being any clearer. You wrote:

Quote:


I fail to see the logic in any of this, as I am not the administrator of any of these sites, I can't know for sure that what anyone says about the IP addresses is the truth. Now, if you had said "what if Geoff claims that Factor and Hammer and 9 other posters are the same"... then my answer would prolly be that either Geoff is delusional, or someone has it in for Geoff badly.

Arkat wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:


I thought that was what we were already doing? Trying to figure out the possibilities.

Arkat wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:


I never thought that Geoff and Hammer both were not telling the truth. Or their interpretation of it. What we perceive as the truth, when it comes to feelings... might not be shared by the other party.

Some of Jerry's kids might actually be intentionally trying to get newbies to cross the line and get themselves banned. More likely (in my opinion), they're pushing the boundaries on the rules.. because they are more familiar with the rules than the newbies are, and stay close enough to the line to avoid punishment.

I hate wearing socks, unless they have a cool pattern or color.

Occasionally when im feeling nostalgic for highschool ill use one to jerk off.

This thread is about socks right?

harharharhar wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:


Kind of surprised.  You totally hit me as a black socks with sandals type of guy.