Yobai wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

If Turdbin were a normal, sane, reasonable company I'd assume that and wouldn't bother to say anything. But Turdbin bounces back and forth between extremes trying to find the sweet spot and trashing everything along the way. They seem to get one idea stuck in their head, and push it until the player base hurts. So I don't feel safe letting a request like "remove dungeon scaling" go unchallanged, lest some Turdbin idiot see it, see it isn't opposed, and go off on a crusade to make it happen.

I'm OK playing without Elite, I'm not an elite player and while they structured the game so I need the favor to unlock stuff, I can come back to it later on cleanup. But I want to make sure they don't go overboard and trash the lower difficulties too. Elite already has significantly reduced scaling, so they might reason they need to make changes in H & N for their change to be noticed.

I don't know why they don't just drop the stupid "can't enter a quest 4 levels above you" garbage and give an over level reward like they do for Cove, people would group up for that and they already have the power level penalty to make sure it isn't abused for XP. It would work a lot better than screwing with Dungeon Scaling.

Yobai wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

I was writing to Flav on that one - unless you're one of the friends that doesn't help him as much as Dungeonscaling does? 

Yobai wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:


Never said I agreed or disagreed.  I only said I'm not gonna be a whiny bitch.

How long have players told Turbine that the bonuses were hurting PUGs?  Now they change them and the only thing people can say is 'too little too late'.

Ginger_Walri wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:31pm:


I'm not saying it's gonna change the PUG scene.  I don't think it would have made a difference 2 years ago or 5.  I'm fairly certain the reason most people don't PUG is because everyone thinks everyone else is an asshole.

My point is I'm just a bit amazed at the vaults' ability to complain about Turbine even when Turbine does exactly what everyone told them too for years.  I know I shouldn't be, but I am.

Yeah, no, this is a good thing. A very good thing despite being laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate!

Ran with a newb this morning - died over and over in von 3 EH and then refused to get the traps (he was an artie). Wanted to just carry his stone, but others kept rezzing him...

Anyways, the upcoming xp changes mean you can just ignore those people and let them die wherever.

TheFifthSock wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:11am:



Yeah, the death option is there, but currently the XP penalty hits all toons (if you're running for XP and not favor or loot).  And the repair issues are a minor annoyance too (I kept forgetting to repair, so when I needed a toon, their gear was fracked).

The Greater Bracelet of friends is good, but I'm not paying TP for that.
The Bracelet of Friends was handy when the cards were around, but you go through quite a few and the bastards are BTA and don't stack.

Let us know how it goes as I haven't tried it in awhile.

Flav wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

keep telling yourself that. There's also no penalty if you're late with bills, it's a bonus if you're on time.

no. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

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1. the male organ of copulation and, in mammals, of urinary excretion

You're half right.

Flav wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:


No worries Flav, I understand the semantics of the argument for pugs.

The point I was making is that if I park toons at beginning of quest, I get 10% more XP than if I die and backpack them to end.
It's a 10% difference, regardless of how you couch it.
It is only relevant if you're running for XP.

DropBear wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:


The whole semantics is important to understand how an idiot came with that idea and how much damage it has done over time.
And yeah, I understand quite well the whole point... I'm just nitpicking... This bonus should have been killed years ago.

fork wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:49am:


your parties must be incredibly dull.

Mr Reilly wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:


I don't pug anymore because I don't like to wait.   just get your ass to the quest in a timely manner.  it's all I ask.

after that you can do whatever.  zerg.  creep.  play.  pike.  die.  doorsit.  make a phone call.  change your colostomy bag.  DC.  fap.  I don't care what you do! but please don't make me wait for you. 

and don't ask me give you directions or help you figure out if you actually have that content.

Meursault wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

I think a case could be made that gag and collar doesn't count as naked. [/quote]

Ok, there's a side of you I didn't know M.   
Your parties must get pretty wild......   

I'm very interested to see how this will really play out live, changes like this can often have unexpected impact not foreseen or intended. And even though they are trying to drive grouping I think this may come back and bite them on the butt pretty quickly.