No, you can't log into the same account at the same time.  The first login will get borfed (forced out) in favor of the second login.

You need two accounts.
Main account can be opener.

If you want a cheap option to start accumulating some packs, a $10 starter pack (often on special) is a good way to get premium - some good benefits to having premium on alt account.

Otherwise, short term VIP is a pretty good way to get access to most content to power level.
Depends on what your objective is.

Yeah, I guess that's the way to go

I just wanted to double loot some chests for some "annoying as fuck to find" shinies

Bought 3 otto's boxes from the store and stoned up 3 F2P accounts recently just for extra boxes as needed come when needed if needed then.

string table error, tableDID wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 3:40am:


They need to stay within a certain level range with all the toons, so it depends on what you're chasing.  Eg. You can't take lvl 1 mules into epic quests as chest openers.

Your highest toon can't exceed the limit for getting XP, (otherwise no-one gets XP) and the lowest has to be within 5 levels of the adjusted quest level too.

string table error, tableDID wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:43am:


Wow bro, I bow before you for having the patience to achieve that.   

I lost steam around level 7 or 8 from memory and then re-used a stone to get them all up.

That's a shit-ton of work to get 6 mules up to 20.  Moving them from quest to quest became too tedious for me.  And then you get the occasional quest where they all have to gather to advance or complete and you say "frack it".

I managed to get dozens of mules enough favour for extra coin lords, but that's about the extent of my patience.   

I carry 2 mules on my loot runs now.  I find that a good balance between practicality and convenience.

The retiring player accounts is a good idea if you can find someone willing to give it up.

Epoch wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:



Agreed, this works well in some quests.
Depends on the quest and how important XP is though as you can get a -80% late XP penalty.

When favour running, I just pull them in at the end anyway to help mitigate dungeon scaling.
For loot runs like the OP indicated though, just leave the chests unopened, but you still need to run all the mules to the chests.   

A classic is Mask of Deception.
If they enter together, then everyone has to gather at the mask and then run back thru all those nasty traps (not really).
Stupid artificial mechanic - easily bypassed.  Get the mask, then enter.

Strakeln wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 2:00am:


Yeah, fair call, I'll cop that.   

Although I haven't been called a punk kid in thirty odd years.   

In my defence I did it because it was efficient, and favor grinding mules never seemed very manly anyway.

I tri and quad-boxed for a while with various methods and degrees of success. For me, far and away the most infuriating problem was having to guide multiple characters around. It got very old very quickly, and the rewards were often not exactly worth the efforts.

I did however find one good method(and minor upside). If you make a character out on 2 pieces of uncleansed Green Steel jewelry, they'll die pretty quick. Scoop up the stone, and the ghost follows you through the dungeon as pretty as you please.

The upside? You can summon a hireling on that character. If you set the hire to neutral they won't try to "help". I did this with two characters and basically had 3 hires following me around(along with 2 ghosts). Not that the hires did a whole hell of a lot, but it was kind of fun.

Artorias wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:



I'm more time poor, so this was a much more efficient outcome for me, but we're all different.
Even so, I factored in re-using one stone many times.   
I'd never pay US$40-$50 to level up mules/loot pullers.

Not that the level cap being 20 is really back when content required you to actually play the game, those times would require devs of actual intellect. Which we do not have.

Too much of a focus on Astral Shards and clickbaity bullshit. This isn't a free cellphone game, devs!