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Reply #50 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 1:12am
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 14th, 2015 at 8:52pm:
Can't wait to see Drizzt in blackface.


I'm pretty sure that's why those haven't been made into movies.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 1:12am:
I'm pretty sure that's why those haven't been made into movies.

Me too. Hollywood is an odd mix of liberal bullshit and a bastion of racism and sexism.
  

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Revaulting wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 3:57am:
Me too. Hollywood is an odd mix of liberal bullshit and a bastion of racism and sexism.


It's not necessarily racist. It's just a no-win proposition either way with the casting. No matter how they do a Drizzt movie, somebody is going to cry foul and/or scream bloody murder.

I guess they could give it the Final Fantasy Spirits Within treatment, but then no one would take it seriously. (it should be a lot cheaper to pull off nowadays though.)
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 1:12am:
I'm pretty sure that's why those haven't been made into movies.


Why not cast a dusky skinned actor?   Roll Eyes
  
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DropBear wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 5:26am:
Why not cast a dusky skinned actor?   Roll Eyes


There just aren't enough actors that dark. You'd have blacks in blackface, which I assume people would find offensive.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 1:12am:
I'm pretty sure that's why those haven't been made into movies.


Agreed.  Dark Elves aren't something you can easily do with makeup/costuming tricks.  You'd have to cgi/motion capture him in every scene.  That's expensive as hell.  Don't get me wrong, they did it for Gollum and Azog in LoTR and Hobbit and they do it for The Thing in FF movies.  It is something the tech exists for now days, but none of those characters were in every scene.  Drizzt would be so central to the plot that it would be more work (and therefore money). 

  
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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 4:59am:
It's not necessarily racist. It's just a no-win proposition either way with the casting. No matter how they do a Drizzt movie, somebody is going to cry foul and/or scream bloody murder.

It's not simple enough to put the onus on anyone. But it is definitely racist and sexist. In many ways they're at the mercy of the audience. The majority of filmgoers want to be able to relate to the lead, and that usually means white.

They take huge investment risks with every film, so they also stick very closely to formulaic plots. I think that's also why there's never just one movie about say, baseball, coming out at the same time, but 2 or 3.

I think this is probably the same reason Hollywood has weird trouble adapting to certain other things, as well. Like name any time any movie ever got computers right.
  

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Revaulting wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 11:23am:
It's not simple enough to put the onus on anyone. But it is definitely racist and sexist. In many ways they're at the mercy of the audience. The majority of filmgoers want to be able to relate to the lead, and that usually means white.



They could make the skin color grey and not worry about a thing.

The second part of that quote is wildly speculative.
  
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Reply #58 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 4:03pm
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Vin Deisel - Wulfgar
Scarlet Johanssen - Cattie-Brie
Sean Astin - Regis
Peter Hambleton - Bruenor
Jude Law - Drizzt

  

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Reply #59 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 5:00pm
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mystafyi wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 2:29pm:
They could make the skin color grey and not worry about a thing.

Might work.


mystafyi wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 2:29pm:
The second part of that quote is wildly speculative.

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Reply #60 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 7:24pm
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Revaulting wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 11:23am:
It's not simple enough to put the onus on anyone. But it is definitely racist and sexist. In many ways they're at the mercy of the audience. The majority of filmgoers want to be able to relate to the lead, and that usually means white.


Do you really believe that Caucasians have trouble relating to ethnic actors (not just dark skinned, but non-Caucasians in general)?  I find that observation surprising, as for me personally, skin colour is not even an issue.
I think the skin colour thinking is self-fulfilling.
I don't think it affects most people, not in the social circles I have anyway.

I look at male leads like Eddie Murphy (in his day), Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington and see dark skinned actors who had successful careers.  And Zoe Saldana is a successful actress too.  Granted there aren't as many, but there are enough to show they can have success.

In the Star Trek reboot, JJ Abrams took a relatively unknown cast and did a bang up job.  Same with Avatar.  Zoe and Sam were relatively unknown.
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Reply #61 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 9:08pm
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Selee wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
Vin Deisel - Wulfgar
Scarlet Johanssen - Cattie-Brie
Sean Astin - Regis
Peter Hambleton - Bruenor
Jude Law - Drizzt



Decent.  Depending on the story.  Scarlett and Vin (especially) are too old to play Catti and Wulfgar in Cyrstal Shard, when they are teenagers.
  
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Reply #62 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 9:33pm
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heh, that "racist" bullshit reminds me kinda outcry that witcher 3 or in my land produced Deliverance have no black people in it. U can argue however u can, that witch is mainly based on Poland (and slavian) folklore and Deliverance is set into medieval Bohemia (where any noncaucassian were pretty rare at most - and those were huns n mongols and not afros), but they will always cry its racist.
  
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Reply #63 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 9:34pm
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I want movie about Shaka Zulu, where half Zulus are played by whites:)
  
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Reply #64 - Aug 15th, 2015 at 9:42pm
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DropBear wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 7:24pm:
And Zoe Saldana is a successful actress too.

Yeah, but she's not black, she's green, right?


I hope you're right about studios not making casting decisions based on prejudice, but I can tell you with certainty that racism is alive and (un)well even on my street in liberal New England. I'm sure it's even more entrenched in other areas. I think the fans of these books would tend to be more tolerant, on average, than America at large, but it's still a matter of at least some concern.
  

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Revaulting wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 11:23am:
It's not simple enough to put the onus on anyone. But it is definitely racist and sexist. In many ways they're at the mercy of the audience. The majority of filmgoers want to be able to relate to the lead, and that usually means white.

They take huge investment risks with every film, so they also stick very closely to formulaic plots. I think that's also why there's never just one movie about say, baseball, coming out at the same time, but 2 or 3.

I think this is probably the same reason Hollywood has weird trouble adapting to certain other things, as well. Like name any time any movie ever got computers right.


I wasn't really even delving that far into it. I was just pointing out that whatever way they do it, they will almost surely be perceived/assumed to be racist. (I guess you're saying that they obviously are anyway, so why worry about it?)

They might get away with changing it to an inhuman color like gray or maybe a dark purplish. I could still see some people protesting that, but it would be mostly fanboys maybe?

Gringo wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
but they will always cry its racist.


This.
  

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Well you're all concentrating on "African" based actors for the drow impersonations... But there's other areas in the world where there's dark skinned people...

how about using some Bollywood star ? ( or somebody appropriately colored from Pakistan/India/ )

Personally I think that it would be easier ( and cheaper, just some make up, and movie prop ) than trying to get an African American to fit in through CGI...
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 15th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
They might get away with changing it to an inhuman color like gray or maybe a dark purplish. I could still see some people protesting that, but it would be mostly fanboys maybe?

I think this is the best way to go.

As for racism ... you might be thinking racism is a simple and obvious thing, and you'd be right as far as obvious and individual behaviors go. I'll leave it at that, since this isn't P&R.
  

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were there any protests that there was not single black dwarf, elf or even human in Lord of the Rings trilogy?
  
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Gringo wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 5:23am:
were there any protests that there was not single black dwarf, elf or even human in Lord of the Rings trilogy?

I dunno. You have Google, right?
  

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that's it - I don't remember any - so why should we expect any in movie using same sentient races
  
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Flav wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 7:11am:
not thrilled...

I have the previous movie and the two DTV sequels... and really what a waste of a good IP...
Even Turbine hasn't screwed it that badly.  Roll Eyes


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Reply #73 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 6:26am
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Gringo wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 6:05am:
that's it - I don't remember any - so why should we expect any in movie using same sentient races

LoTR has Drow? Oh. My bad. I didn't remember where Tolkien specifically described dwarves and hobbits as having black skin, either.

In that case, I wish to retroactively state, before those movies are made, that Hollywood will have problems making them, because of blackface.
  

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Reply #74 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 7:14am
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Gringo wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 5:23am:
were there any protests that there was not single black dwarf, elf or even human in Lord of the Rings trilogy?


Some of the bad mooks were non-caucasian, iirc.
  

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