Am I misremembering or did we have a period of loot above the cap before? Wouldn't surprise me if they just kept going and made them all ML30. I can't see them turning down revenue to follow some arbitrary numbering convention.

Hiding wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:



I like mersault.  but I was thinking the exact.  same.  thing.

mystafyi wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:


Not really.  My point here is that there should and could be some value in tomes.  But there isn't.  The issue isn't power creep.  The issue is grind and player interest.  Turbine is bungling this massively.

They have destroyed all interest in tomes.  Mainly by completely screwing up the drop rates and locations.  They had it right with Shroud/VoD/Hound/ToD and the +3/+4's.  Everything after that is cluster fuck.  (Except a brief period where farming demonweb quests for +5 tomes was viable). 

Of course, you could argue the entire game became a cluster fuck shortly after Shroud/VoD/Hound/ToD.  2009-2011 was the apex of the game. 

My point is, there is a proper combination of tome drop rates in quests and raids at varying levels that would create more interest in tomes.  Tomes used to be treated like a holy grail when pulled despite their relatively low value to a build/power creep.  Now they are treated like Sasquatch or the Lock Ness Monster.  If someone  has a +7 tome, they most likely paid for it.  Just like someone having a picture of Nessie.  Chances are it is photoshopped, not the real deal.

And that's the real shame of this.  Because tome grinding is something people will do a lot of.  Much longer than they will grind for other gear.  Especially if the tomes are unbound.  Because that will create an AH/Shard AH economic system that will drive interest as well.  But the drop rates need to be better balanced for that to happen.

What tomes are in the store are irrelevant to the game.  If they had a viable drop rate on the 5,6, and 7's, then people would grind them in game.  Stop bitching about what tomes are in the store when the real problem is how tomes are handled in game.

Epoch wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 11:20pm:



lol I have felt that way since +3 tomes.  I used to be so happy to hit 1750 favor so I could pick up that +2 tome in the harbor.  now I don't give a fuck.

Asheras wrote on Aug 10^th, 2015 at 10:29am:


Yes. The day before MOTU was released would be the apex for me.

pnellesen wrote on Aug 10^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:



Agree. It was fun at first because new and shiny. But the unintended consequences were rough.

kum-gulp wrote on Aug 9^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

agreed. They will just make +8 tomes ml30 and be done with it. What the fuck is anyone going to do about it anyway? Cry then buy it?

Hiding wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:

OK, so we don't have any right now, but we could get some, and we should be ready for them, right?

Right guys? Right? We could ...

Meursault wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:53am:


Gianthold was a mini-apex for me too.  The raid was a palate cleanser after the mess of CiTW.  The BtCoE loot made for a robust economy.  The ONLY problem was a too-high drop rate on the scales.  People were running around in fully upgraded dragon armor two days after launch.  (And not just your crazy intense power gamers). 

It was also the first raid to be heavily affected by the Raid Bypass Timers.  A great idea in theory, but the application has tended to create problems for content longevity and the power gap between the power gamers and the rest.  I'd have liked to see raids go to a schedule like the old epics of once per 24 hours vs. being able to bypass timer them 20 times in a row.  Or at least have some daily or weekly cap, kinda like ransack.

I'd buy gold rolls for a chance to win a lvl 28 max gear max lives build from the store.

DropBear wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

But it would be easy for them - just follow one of the great advancement paths they made to help new players all the way to the end and ... oh, er, 

Am I the only one with +4 on my main? (2 +6 got from chests)

I really don't see what all this fuss is about. If people complain about stuff being too pricy and then buy it to whine even more then, let's be honest, they're gay and retarded. Im gonna get to +5 using favors and maybe to 6 if im lucky enough to pull another tome.

There is the tiny little detail that I pulled my last tome from EE Vol when epic orchard was released....never seen a tome drop ever since not even for party members. Oh well