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Aug 8th, 2015 at 2:29pm
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I am trying new mechanic and thus, I need decent weaponry.

SInce GxBows are basically nonexistent (one from AdQ, one from new pack, one from ToEE, I decided to craft an alchemical one (that crafting from LoB most of you propably already forgotten).

What combination do you think is the best?

I would guess:
1. all martial,
2. Flametouched
3. T1 Earth
4. T2 Air or Water (Water is more dmg, but Air gives dex)
5. T3 who gives an Uurlock....

any other ideas?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 2:34pm
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Ah, I forgot that GxBow knocks down on Vorpal, making GSP pretty much redundant.

That would mean that water could be a better choice for tier 1?
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 3:13pm
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Notice that going tier 3 will raise the weapon ML to 20

Heroic ToEE crossbow is level 7
GS is level 12
ADQ crossbow (storm) is level is level 12
Archon's trial crossbow is level 13

Even if you create an iconic how do you grind a 5 levels without any of the above?

Anyway..for tier 1 I'd probably chose earth or fire
http://ddowiki.com/page/Alchemical_Crafting

Earth has earthgrab too while fire has seeker 10. Water may seems nice but is basically like earth without earthgrab.

You could try making a T1, a T2 and a T3 but it takes 3 Xbows and lots of materials

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Now that I think of it, fire would be better since GXBows are slow so it translates to a small percentage of seeing earthgrab proc. Seeker 10 MAY be a better choice
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Reply #3 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 3:28pm
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Artorias wrote on Aug 8th, 2015 at 3:13pm:
Notice that going tier 3 will raise the weapon ML to 20

Heroic ToEE crossbow is level 7
GS is level 12
ADQ crossbow (storm) is level is level 12
Archon's trial crossbow is level 13

Even if you create an iconic how do you grind a 5 levels without any of the above?

Anyway..for tier 1 I'd probably chose earth or fire
http://ddowiki.com/page/Alchemical_Crafting

Earth has earthgrab too while fire has seeker 10. Water may seems nice but is basically like earth without earthgrab.

You could try making a T1, a T2 and a T3 but it takes 3 Xbows and lots of materials

EDIT
Now that I think of it, fire would be better since GXBows are slow so it translates to a small percentage of seeing earthgrab proc. Seeker 10 MAY be a better choice



Thx for the response!

As far as level goes:

I will be crafting my xbow "on the go", I.E. I will start with lvl 16 wep and while leveling, upgrade it to lvl 18, respectively lvl 20.  SInce I am going to start as Iconic, I will only have to use some other GxBow for one level (I have GS repeater hidden somewhere so that will do). If that was not the case (And I didnt mentioned it), your point would be very valid though, so, thx.

Freezing Ice vs GSP - GSP procs on natural vorpal (I.E. when knockdown from GXB will proc, making it redundant), Freezing Ice has 5% chance to proc on any attack, making it equall in chance to proc, but making it relevant, since there is much smaller chance that it procs together with vorpal knockdown.

Ofc, its a good question if water is better than fire even when this considered. right now, my "selling point for water" is the fact, that on lvl 20, I will get my hands on tier 3 Ring of the stalker that has seeker 6.

Your thoughts?

ALso, I am undecided on Tier 2... Water/Air/Earth sounds all good for different reasons. le sigh.

Ah, nad I havemats for one Xbow. so... thats that.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 4:04pm
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Well, water is in theory better since it could proc even when you roll a 5 and still get the effect.

Tier 2 I would go Earth for 3 reasons:

1 - As stated in the guide the ability score increase is alchemical so in theory it will stack with every other bonus (when I hover with mouse over it it clearly states ENHANCEMENT tough) and a +2 constitution is always very appreciated

2 - Unlike the other elements it gives a blast bonus so it is always active and will proc on every single hit with added bonus of getting stronger based on the weapon multiplier (on this im not sure if  class enhancement will count). The other elemental abilities have a fixed chance to proc.

3 - Disintegration. Need anything else? The downside is that is procs around 2% of the time against the usual 6% of other effects.

Keep in mind that acid today seems to work on everything. Tier 2 would be a good slot for water too but you would lose the constitution bonus. Up to you.

Tier 3 is practically a stronger tier 2 bonus. Acid works against most of the monsters but you may want to take a side element just in case. Not really necessary tough.

If you plan to run Amrath  at level (the level 19 chain) DO NOT take fire.

Guess that's it pretty much. Im sure the others will have better tips than mine  Tongue

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The setup: Water, Earth, Earth will get you trough most content without too much trouble except for the druid chain where you face the swamp thingies. IIRC they are immune to acid. I usually keep the druid chain for first completion bonus on EE since it gives the worst heroic exp I've ever seen
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Reply #5 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 5:13pm
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I would assume earth2 for disintegrate to be a given
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 7:29pm
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Vic wrote on Aug 8th, 2015 at 2:29pm:
I am trying new mechanic and thus, I need decent weaponry.

SInce GxBows are basically nonexistent (one from AdQ, one from new pack, one from ToEE, I decided to craft an alchemical one (that crafting from LoB most of you propably already forgotten).

What combination do you think is the best?

I would guess:
1. all martial,
2. Flametouched
3. T1 Earth
4. T2 Air or Water (Water is more dmg, but Air gives dex)
5. T3 who gives an Uurlock....

any other ideas?


Fire-earth-fire is the combination with the highest dps.

For lvl 18, just do fire-earth.

Unless you're doing devils, in which case the above points make sense. And, yes, the ability bonus stacks. Twf people used to use alchemical in their offhand but it's not powerful enough anymore except in its lvl range.
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Re: Best Alchemical GxBow
Reply #7 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 3:14am
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Artorias wrote on Aug 8th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
Well, water is in theory better since it could proc even when you roll a 5 and still get the effect.

Tier 2 I would go Earth for 3 reasons:

1 - As stated in the guide the ability score increase is alchemical so in theory it will stack with every other bonus (when I hover with mouse over it it clearly states ENHANCEMENT tough) and a +2 constitution is always very appreciated

2 - Unlike the other elements it gives a blast bonus so it is always active and will proc on every single hit with added bonus of getting stronger based on the weapon multiplier (on this im not sure if  class enhancement will count). The other elemental abilities have a fixed chance to proc.

3 - Disintegration. Need anything else? The downside is that is procs around 2% of the time against the usual 6% of other effects.

Keep in mind that acid today seems to work on everything. Tier 2 would be a good slot for water too but you would lose the constitution bonus. Up to you.

Tier 3 is practically a stronger tier 2 bonus. Acid works against most of the monsters but you may want to take a side element just in case. Not really necessary tough.

If you plan to run Amrath  at level (the level 19 chain) DO NOT take fire.

Guess that's it pretty much. Im sure the others will have better tips than mine  Tongue

EDIT
The setup: Water, Earth, Earth will get you trough most content without too much trouble except for the druid chain where you face the swamp thingies. IIRC they are immune to acid. I usually keep the druid chain for first completion bonus on EE since it gives the worst heroic exp I've ever seen


Aye, the water for tier 1 seems better thanks to that.

As for tier 2 earth, I think you are aboslutely correct.

As for tier 3, I just dont think it really matters. The only difference is damage type, they all do the same and all things considered, I believe acid is the one with least immunity.

The question ofc now is:

On lvl 20, I will start using this triple infused GxBow, with meteoric ruby slotted. But.... when am I going to swap it for something else? I want to use GxBow, not repeater (cause I hate that chip-chip-chip sound and I like the idea of GXBow)... so,  is it going to be alchemical until I get into the new Shavarath GxBow level range? Or is Cormyrean even something to consider?
  
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Re: Best Alchemical GxBow
Reply #8 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 3:18am
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Ok, seems like I carry this alchemical till lvl 26, then swap it for ToEE Gxbow.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 7:37am
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Im preparing a E.silver slinger for dealing with undeads  for when I'll TR my barb into a rogue.

Silver slinger is a GXbow coming from lords of dust chain and is undead specialized (it even bypass some of their fort and fire bludgeoning ammo for dealing with skellies)

You could try making a E.storm but good luck with that. You may have better chances fucking Adriana Lima  Tongue
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 8:40am
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slinger is not iirc GxBow but heavy repeater


and concerning the effort to get decent alchemical is imho quite easier to get decent cormyrean one for ml 20 or 24 (esp if one have some xtra challenge stuff stashed)

otherwise while leveling I was pretty fine w just GC gxBow, later combined w slinger and doublecross, in epics eslinger and edoublecross, switching to tf heavy repeater and tf gxbow later
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 9:16am
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Fuck, it's true.  Grin

Im gonna make one anyway. Im sure it will come in handy on a few occasions

That was really noobish of me  Tongue
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 9:23am
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slinger is heavy repeater tho uses model of great xbow so it can easily mislead people.

and yep its useful one - beating silver,good n blunt DR, plus weaken undead makes it quite good weapon for MoD
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:11am
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Vic wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 3:18am:
Ok, seems like I carry this alchemical till lvl 26, then swap it for ToEE Gxbow.


Your dps will suck if you do that. Better to find a good epic one or make a few eveningstar ones and choose which does the most damage. Are there no GXBs in low epics?

I could be wrong - Needle replaces my repeaters at 23 but from 20-23, it's quite painful to use the alchemical until then.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:19am
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how do you have the mats, do you solo lob or something??

no one runs those raids...
  
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Reply #15 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:27am
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no one publicly does imho. I have couple guildies farming it mostly in two or three man groups
  
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klajsdhd wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:19am:
how do you have the mats, do you solo lob or something??

no one runs those raids...


I solo LoB on en usually but I helped guildies getting at least one type of each ingredient while dooplaooza edict was still in act. Im confident you can figure everything else by yourself
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 2:48pm
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klajsdhd wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:19am:
how do you have the mats, do you solo lob or something??

no one runs those raids...



I do. LoB requires just 3 ppl to have a pretty much 100% chance to finish. Few weeks ago, we finished it on EE in 5 ppl, without warlocks and except for one person, no one was capped.

LoB was made to be extremely challenging On level 20 Pre-destinies. Now, it is just technically difficult, but generally very doable.

MA is harder, because you need to pull several levers at once to acces the raid in the first place.... then again, as long as you have the item you want to imbue, there is really no reason to run it at all.

Edit: Also, on EN/HN LoB is absolutely soloable
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Gringo wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:27am:
no one publicly does imho. I have couple guildies farming it mostly in two or three man groups



Btw, za jakyho ses serveru kolego? Bydlime ve stejnym meste... nejaka sance ze jsi na Cannithu?
  
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Hiding wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Your dps will suck if you do that. Better to find a good epic one or make a few eveningstar ones and choose which does the most damage. Are there no GXBs in low epics?

I could be wrong - Needle replaces my repeaters at 23 but from 20-23, it's quite painful to use the alchemical until then.



I havent done the precise math, but I THINK, that if you include meteoric star ruby, then Alchemical GxBow does better damage then any Cormyrean, no?
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 5:28pm
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Vic wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 2:50pm:
Btw, za jakyho ses serveru kolego? Bydlime ve stejnym meste... nejaka sance ze jsi na Cannithu?


sorry, jsem na Argu
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 9th, 2015 at 7:43pm
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Fuck mechanic...go assassin.

That is all.
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 1:28am
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If you are playing it on a pure mechanic not the pally/mechs your best choice for a GxB would hands down be a Radiance II greensteel. 

Your crits will blind every mob no matter what, and then the scaled sneak attack damage will kick in. With Improved precise shot it is the mechanic's AOE attack.

The no-save, no-timer, blindness will let a level 13 mechanic do 15D6 of sneak attack damage scaled by 33 ranged power almost at will with proper crit feats, and fortitude defeating gear.

You don't even need to grab the damage abilities on any of the greensteel tiers, instead grab +6 int, +1 excep int & +30% hamp. Use flaming/good/ice/etc.. ammo with fletching and you just freed up three slots for gear.

Once you equip that there is no point in unequipping it until your at least 20th, and only then if you rolled a really good Cormyian GxB, I run mine until lev 23.
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Reply #23 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 4:05am
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Vic wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 2:53pm:
I havent done the precise math, but I THINK, that if you include meteoric star ruby, then Alchemical GxBow does better damage then any Cormyrean, no?


Haven't got a clue.
  
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Reply #24 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 4:58am
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Vic wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 2:53pm:
I havent done the precise math, but I THINK, that if you include meteoric star ruby, then Alchemical GxBow does better damage then any Cormyrean, no?

well, i m looking mostly for imp paralyzing, lifestealing and such not pure dps.
  
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