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Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:17pm
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What's the consensus on this?  Is it better or worse than a TF with Mortal Fear?

Seems to be better on the base damage (5.5[W]+13 vs. 4.5[W]+12) and a better Crit profile (18-20x2 vs. 19-20x2)

Has the axiomatic 10-40 damage, vorpal and banishing damage, armor piercing, and doublestrike vs. whatever you craft on your TF item. 

I'm kinda thinking Fellblade might be better for bosses and TF Mortal Fear for non-boss/trash.  But I don't have the Fellblade yet.  Coming up on a 20th run of DoJ and was wondering if it was worth taking.



 
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Re: Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
Reply #1 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:23pm
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Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:35pm
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Regardless of MATH™, it's unbound, I wouldn't take it from 20th for sure.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:06pm
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take the helm, the trinket, the boots, gloves, anything but that longsword.
  

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Re: Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
Reply #4 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:08pm
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Wipe wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
Regardless of MATH™, it's unbound, I wouldn't take it from 20th for sure.


It's BTCoA, just like all the other raid loot.
  
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Re: Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
Reply #5 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:10pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:06pm:
take the helm, the trinket, the boots, gloves, anything but that longsword.

I have the helm, boots, gloves, and ring.  It's between the Longsword and the trinket.  I was on this fence:

Litany vs. Memoriam
Fellblade vs. TF Weapon

That 75 Heal Amp on the memoriam is mighty tasty.  Build is Pally, btw.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:32pm
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Reply #7 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:44pm
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Asheras wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:10pm:
That 75 Heal Amp on the memoriam is mighty tasty.  Build is Pally, btw.

hmm, giving up litany on a pally is huge. +5 dmg, +1 to all saves. I dont think the doj trinket is better on most build tho.

Except on a non-dc, non-ranged/melee, build that relies on spellcraft and is good aligned. Since litany gives you 1 to all skills but that is erased by neg lv anyway. But then again idk if 2 to all skills and saves,  and 75 hamp beats out litany full bonuses.

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Re: Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
Reply #8 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:01pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
hmm, giving up litany on a pally is huge. +5 dmg, +1 to all saves. I dont think the doj trinket is better on most build tho.

Except on a non-dc, non-ranged/melee, build that relies on spellcraft and is good aligned. Since litany gives you 1 to all skills but that is erased by neg lv anyway. But then again idk if 2 to all skills and saves,  and 75 hamp beats out litany full bonuses.



Yeah.  It's a tough call.  That's why I was investigating the blade vs. TF tier 3.  You think the blade is really a non-starter, eh?  It seemed like a closer call on paper. 

EDIT:  Neg levels on the Epic Litany is stupid.  I get the lower level version, but on ML 27 raid loot?  Or at least let us scrub it off with an upgrade.  Ugh. 
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Re: Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
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Reply #10 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:09pm
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Asheras wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:01pm:
You think the blade is really a non-starter, eh? 

only because it is a longsword. otherwise it would be a good complement to the toee offhand on 2wf'ers(only against amrath red names).
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 6:14pm
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Wipe wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
Regardless of MATH™, it's unbound, I wouldn't take it from 20th for sure.

Nope. The Unbound nature of the Fellblade was fixed shortly after it was released. I only know of one unbound Fellblade and it was in the Sarlona shard auction house a few weeks ago.
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:39pm
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Sov Vorp is worth 15Damage/Hit on average. You can round to 20 for the occasional time it actually vorpals somethins between 1-3000 HP.

That's woefully behind just the force proc itself on hit from Mortal fear.

Crit wise it's just a scimitar. It needed x3 Crit at least to be compelling.

Banishing is basically the same as Sov Vorp, but less so and only on things that can get banished, obv.

Overally, it's terrible. Sadly, since it's raid loot.
  
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Re: Fellblade vs. TF Tier 3
Reply #13 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:51pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:39pm:
Sov Vorp is worth 15Damage/Hit on average. You can round to 20 for the occasional time it actually vorpals somethins between 1-3000 HP.

That's woefully behind just the force proc itself on hit from Mortal fear.

Crit wise it's just a scimitar. It needed x3 Crit at least to be compelling.

Banishing is basically the same as Sov Vorp, but less so and only on things that can get banished, obv.

Overally, it's terrible. Sadly, since it's raid loot.


Gotcha.  Thanks.  It doesn't sound as close as I thought it was. I'll take it if it drops in my name, but not gonna take it on a 20th list or trade or roll for it then.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:54pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:39pm:
Crit wise it's just a scimitar. It needed x3 Crit at least to be compelling.

Its crit profile was originally 17-20/x3. Then, of course, the devs raped it and changed it to 18-20/x2.

It went from MUST have to meh. If they had left the multiplier alone, it would have been a great get. Even if they only nerfed the multiplier to x2, the 17-20 crit range would have been unique, I think, and still would have made the weapon pretty desirable.

Now it's just ok.

Well done, Severlin. I'm sure the over-nerf was your call.
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Reply #15 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:32pm
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It was over-performing, obviously. His data showed it, and everything.
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Reply #16 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:38pm
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So the 15% double strike is irrelevant?
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:47pm
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Well this long sword is a joke because of its crit profiles..Besides,TF T3 weps are much better imo even if with smae crit multiplier and range..i wont trade motral fears and 35% armor-piercing for one moar red slot and 7% moar double strike
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:52pm
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So the 15% double strike is irrelevant?

No, it's very nice. It's the only real reason I'd consider using it on my S&B pally.

An easily-reached 50% Doublestrike with it is nothing to laugh at.
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 3:02am
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:39pm:
Crit wise it's just a scimitar. It needed x3 Crit at least to be compelling.

yep. at x3 it would have put it into one of the better kopesh categories
  

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Reply #20 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 8:46am
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Arkat wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:52pm:
No, it's very nice. It's the only real reason I'd consider using it on my S&B pally.

An easily-reached 50% Doublestrike with it is nothing to laugh at.


It is also a damn sight easier to get than T3 Mortal fear.  20 runs of DoJ max vs. 35-40 runs of Deathwyrm. Mind you, I'd rather run Deathwyrm, I like it better, but it is a bit longer of a raid and it is harder to get a group for these days. 

If you don't have Mortal Fear and aren't close to 30 phlogs it is probably a nice stop-gap.  It's better than a T2 TF weapon.  BUt for DPS, I'm going with the T3 TF blade.  At least until we see sentient weapons/Epic Shroud.

  
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Reply #21 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 10:17am
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Asheras wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 8:46am:
It is also a damn sight easier to get than T3 Mortal fear.  20 runs of DoJ max vs. 35-40 runs of Deathwyrm. Mind you, I'd rather run Deathwyrm, I like it better, but it is a bit longer of a raid and it is harder to get a group for these days. 

If you don't have Mortal Fear and aren't close to 30 phlogs it is probably a nice stop-gap.  It's better than a T2 TF weapon.  BUt for DPS, I'm going with the T3 TF blade.  At least until we see sentient weapons/Epic Shroud.


Can't say I disagree with you here.

I also wanted to point out Fellblade's 20% Armor Piercing. While it's not as good as TF's 35%, it's still something to consider.

All in all, I'd have to say Fellblade is a decent weapon. Leaving the crit range 17-20 OR leaving the crit multiplier x3 would have made the weapon MUCH more desirable than it is now.
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Reply #22 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 10:28am
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If you are a follower of the silver flame with ameliorating strike I would definatelly use it. Otherwise, tf is your best friend no matter the build
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 10:53am
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Fellblade is decent.  I have been more surprised about how useful Epic Bleeding Edge has been.

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Reply #24 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 11:10am
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DoRayEgon wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 10:53am:
Fellblade is decent.  I have been more surprised about how useful Epic Bleeding Edge has been.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Bleeding_Edge


Base damage, it is definitely in the ball park with these.  And the crit profile is on par with TF Khopesh and ahead of the Fellblade. The only issue is that you don't have the extra damage boost that the others are giving you.  Probably another solid stop gap until you get T3 TF, considering it is probably even easier to get than Fellblade.
  
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