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How is it possible for Turdbin to sell shit to people, when the shit those same people just purchased does not fucking work?

Amazing - they MUST BE brilliant!
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Get this - if they sell shit, and people buy said shit...why the fuck not?
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 24th, 2015 at 6:51pm
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Mr wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
How is it possible for Turdbin to sell shit to people, when the shit those same people just purchased does not fucking work?

Amazing - they MUST BE brilliant!

I think it falls under the "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time" adage.

Personally, I'm still pissed enough at the broken crap I paid for that I'm not paying more until they fix it all. I guess that means I'll be Premium forever more  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  

Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Mr wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
How is it possible for Turdbin to sell shit to people, when the shit those same people just purchased does not fucking work?

Amazing - they MUST BE brilliant!


When did the U27 raid break? what's wrong with it?
  

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majmalphunktion wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:11pm:
what the fuck guys...

Jeesus fucking shit. This shit gets me called to the principals office.

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Cripey wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
When did the U27 raid break? what's wrong with it?


lag
  
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harharharhar wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 12:21am:
lag

Aint the whole game laggy?
  
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Yeah, but the U27 raid had some special lag, that Turbine has tried to patch/deal with multiple times, and in multiple ways. Like Deathwyrm. One would think they'd learn a little, but hey, that's why they're Turbine.
  
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WeHaveLived wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 9:34am:
Yeah, but the U27 raid had some special lag, that Turbine has tried to patch/deal with multiple times, and in multiple ways. Like Deathwyrm. One would think they'd learn a little, but hey, that's why they're Turbine.

I have been playing Path of Exile past 2 weeks and they get the same problem. Once too many mobs are on the screen and aggro'd then the whole game becomes unplayable. It is why they limited the camera to an unmodifiable viewpoint that only allows a single screen section to be viewed. Not like mobs can't range you from past your VP though Grin.

Of course the dev's excuse was they wanted people to focus on mobs rather than camera angels. Because, you know, people focus on camera angels more than killing shit for loot in games Roll Eyes

Anyway, It's the same reason turbine put up walls all over in DoJ.
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Mr wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
How is it possible for Turdbin to sell shit to people, when the shit those same people just purchased does not fucking work?

Amazing - they MUST BE brilliant!

Your logic is not welcome here.
  
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Mr wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
How is it possible for Turdbin to sell shit to people, when the shit those same people just purchased does not fucking work?

Amazing - they MUST BE brilliant!



It's the Fernando business model and it's going great.  Just Look at how DDO has gone in the last few years.  It is barnstorming the market.

  
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Mr wrote on Sep 24th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
How is it possible for Turdbin to sell shit to people, when the shit those same people just purchased does not fucking work?

Amazing - they MUST BE brilliant!




1. there is no fix for lag, so get over it
2. if turbine fixed lag before releasing new content, the game would be dead and buried by now.
  
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Angry wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 2:54am:
1. there is no fix for lag, so get over it

There may not be an easy fix for lag, but the fact that other games manage to not get rekt proves it can be done. Please don't apologize for Turbine, they already have enough trouble taking responsibility for their decisions.

Angry wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 2:54am:
2. if turbine fixed lag before releasing new content, the game would be dead and buried by now.

As opposed to just twitching?

This whole "quality isn't important" attitude is what drove the game into the ground to begin with. The fact that they haven't thrown a few shovelfulls of dirt on top is immaterial.
  

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There may not be an easy fix for lag, but the fact that other games manage to not get rekt proves it can be done. Please don't apologize for Turbine, they already have enough trouble taking responsibility for their decisions.

As opposed to just twitching?

This whole "quality isn't important" attitude is what drove the game into the ground to begin with. The fact that they haven't thrown a few shovelfulls of dirt on top is immaterial.


Absolutely agree M.
For the current crew, lag is just "too hard" just like everything bloody else in this game is for them.
Hire some decent talent.

I'm sure some or most of the lag is embedded in the inefficient code and unstable code on top of unstable code.
Yes, it will require a thorough testing regime.
VPN from from a connection outside of Boston for starters.

Some features are likely causing - either remove them or find way to re-implement them that is more efficient.
It could be something fundamental like doublestrike calcs or weapon speed - there is another way to handle it even if it is not perfect.
Maybe it is all the proc calcs? Simplify them or have them calc once.

As the game has grown, there are more abilities, damage effects etc that interact. 
I think the solution is two fold and integrated - simplify the game mechanics within the limits of the game engine.

It won't happen though because it would mean work with no obvious commercial value (except if you regard the current death spiral of the game as being of commercial value).
  
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Meursault wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 6:56am:
There may not be an easy fix for lag, but the fact that other games manage to not get rekt proves it can be done. Please don't apologize for Turbine, they already have enough trouble taking responsibility for their decisions.


I am a realist. If they haven't fixed lag by now, moaning and bitching about it is not gonna fix it either. My advice? Get over it or get out.

Meursault wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 6:56am:
This whole "quality isn't important" attitude is what drove the game into the ground to begin with. The fact that they haven't thrown a few shovelfulls of dirt on top is immaterial.


You saw my comment about moaning and bitching, right?
  
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DropBear wrote on Sep 28th, 2015 at 7:46am:
Absolutely agree M.
For the current crew, lag is just "too hard" just like everything bloody else in this game is for them.
Hire some decent talent.

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Oh, how bored I am with this discussion. Turbine sucks, they don't have any proper coders left and the game is dying. Yada yada yada

If you think that Turbine is going to hire any more ppl to work on a 9 year old game, you're fooling yourself.
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 9:40am:
I have been playing Path of Exile past 2 weeks and they get the same problem. Once too many mobs are on the screen and aggro'd then the whole game becomes unplayable. It is why they limited the camera to an unmodifiable viewpoint that only allows a single screen section to be viewed. Not like mobs can't range you from past your VP though Grin.

Of course the dev's excuse was they wanted people to focus on mobs rather than camera angels. Because, you know, people focus on camera angels more than killing shit for loot in games Roll Eyes

Anyway, It's the same reason turbine put up walls all over in DoJ.


Shocked what league? Playing in warbands atm till it ends on the 2nd, will probably run the 1 month leagues after that, eventually  straying to standard (sadly, warbands gets dumped to standard, not HC :x)

Also, hvnt lagged yet, have filled the screen with many a mob before spinning my ass off (CoC Cyclone.. om nom nom)
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Viktor Vaughn wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 5:50am:
Aint the whole game laggy?


There IS no lag.. there is only ZUUL
  
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Angry wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 2:56am:
Oh, how bored I am with this discussion. Turbine sucks, they don't have any proper coders left and the game is dying. Yada yada yada

If you think that Turbine is going to hire any more ppl to work on a 9 year old game, you're fooling yourself.


Sorry we're boring you (I'm not really, that was sarcasm).

They're still charging us money so why not spend it better?  The IP doesn't need to dead.  It is badly mismanaged.  It can make money for Turdbine AND be a going concern.  Doubtless it will ever make oodles of money, but it could be a reliable earner without having to burn thru $4m per month like IC did.
Imagine if the spend on IC for 1 month was invested into DDO?
What could you repair, enhance and create for $4M?

And what has age got to do with it?  How many of the latest and greatest games have lasted even a few years?
Age only becomes a problem if you alienate your customers and they leave never to return - eventually you run out of customers and die.
DDO could have a decent return rate - there used to be a reason to return to the game each update (not the crap they serve up now).

The IP has a loyal following and the game structurally has the ability to keep people entertained for long periods.  It's the niche aspect that enables it to survive.  It's the mismanagement of a great IP that makes me angry.  It's a case study in how not to run a business.
  
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DropBear wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:28am:
Sorry we're boring you (I'm not really, that was sarcasm).

They're still charging us money so why not spend it better?  The IP doesn't need to dead.  It is badly mismanaged.  It can make money for Turdbine AND be a going concern.  Doubtless it will ever make oodles of money, but it could be a reliable earner without having to burn thru $4m per month like IC did.
Imagine if the spend on IC for 1 month was invested into DDO?
What could you repair, enhance and create for $4M?

And what has age got to do with it?  How many of the latest and greatest games have lasted even a few years?
Age only becomes a problem if you alienate your customers and they leave never to return - eventually you run out of customers and die.
DDO could have a decent return rate - there used to be a reason to return to the game each update (not the crap they serve up now).

The IP has a loyal following and the game structurally has the ability to keep people entertained for long periods.  It's the niche aspect that enables it to survive.  It's the mismanagement of a great IP that makes me angry.  It's a case study in how not to run a business.



Oh, how cute, you still think that Turbine could turn things around for ddo through better management.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble.. not gonna happen.

What does age have to do with it? I'll tell you what.. experience. If we haven't learned by now how Turbine manages it's games, then we are pretty dumb, aren't we?

Now, maybe I'm talking out of my ass, maybe if we keep throwing money at at them they'll eventually figure out how to do things?
  
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Vendui wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 3:02am:
Also, hvnt lagged yet, have filled the screen with many a mob before spinning my ass off (CoC Cyclone.. om nom nom)

Me and group have lagged daily. I died on HC tempest league. so am on standard now.

there is a guy on twitch/youtube showed how to use a cyclone magic finder. his client crashes multiple times during it. and even after when he toggles on all item labels. but it is the best way to farm loot in that game. has already been nerfed once. but the tactic is funny. uses cyclone and a named glove to vacuum in mobs on modded+augmented maps. until he finds loot increasing ghosts then vacuums them into the mobs until he touches every mob in map.

then brings in his magic find culler with totems. around 20 exalted a day earned in total worth of items/drops. this is in warbands, but he says there are people doing it in tempest/hc too, just slower and cant aggro entire map at once like he does.
  

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Me and group have lagged daily. I died on HC tempest league. so am on standard now.

there is a guy on twitch/youtube showed how to use a cyclone magic finder. his client crashes multiple times during it. and even after when he toggles on all item labels. but it is the best way to farm loot in that game. has already been nerfed once. but the tactic is funny. uses cyclone and a named glove to vacuum in mobs on modded+augmented maps. until he finds loot increasing ghosts then vacuums them into the mobs until he touches every mob in map.

then brings in his magic find culler with totems. around 20 exalted a day earned in total worth of items/drops. this is in warbands, but he says there are people doing it in tempest/hc too, just slower and cant aggro entire map at once like he does.



Yeah, ive had him doing some service for me, crazy drops XD. Im slowly getting my IIR/IIQ up to be able to do what he does, it be a slow process sadly. I run with 10k ES, Shavs to prevent chaos going through ES, and Blood Magic gem linked to a couple auras to get low health (35% hp) to have my rabbit booties give a +100% rarity boost while spinning. I average 300ish wisdoms a day. Im stocking up for the kick from warbands to standard. Wish i knew how to dupe Div cards, id mass produce Chaos, Regal, and Ex.
  
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Vendui wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:59am:
and Ex.

is actually worth money. 3rd party sites charge 1.60-1.80 per. some pieces of gear are sold for hundreds of exalted. game is alright, but unless there is some trading overhaul done I wont be playing it much longer. either I spend the next 6 months hoarding currency to MAYBE gear a top build or spend few hundreds on exalted to buy top build gear.
  

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Angry wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 2:54am:
I am a realist. If they haven't fixed lag by now, moaning and bitching about it is not gonna fix it either. My advice? Get over it or get out.


You saw my comment about moaning and bitching, right?

You and I are just fundamentally different people and what works for you doesn't come close to working for me. I still vote even when I know the candidate I favor has no chance to win, I still play my best game even if I know I'll lose, and I still complain when Turbine screws the game I love.

By your logic we should accept corrupt politicians, social injustice, and casual racism because they are long standing and hard to change. I don't care if the history is 9 years, 90 years, or 900 years, if I feel it is wrong I will raise my voice against it.

You're welcome to your complacency, of course, it's a free country, but don't ever make the mistake of thinking it's a virtue to which I would aspire.
  

Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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