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You dodge the hit and hits you for...wait what?
Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:45pm
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Experimenting a little with my new assassin and using shadow dancer I thought to use Meld into darkness that should work like this

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Meld Into Darkness: Active Ability: (Cooldown: 2 minutes) +100% Enhancement bonus to dodge for [9/12/15] seconds.


I activate the skill against a MELEE monster (not champion) and still got hit by its attacks. Isn't 100% dodge like a guaranteed dodge? (hence the 100%). Bug or am I missing something?
Hope the bloody clicky jusy doesn't double my actual dodge. If so it's a waste of points.
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:49pm
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I haven't used it in a while, but I believe your dodge still has a cap.

If your max dodge is 25% and you active this ability, you will get a 25% dodge.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:52pm
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no. wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:49pm:
I haven't used it in a while, but I believe your dodge still has a cap.

If your max dodge is 25% and you active this ability, you will get a 25% dodge.


No. Its 100% regardless of your max dodge.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:59pm
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Monsters can bypass dodge like they can bypass fortification.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 2:34pm
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Must have been one hell of a strong monster to bypass 128% of dodge and even if it was only 100% what's the point of the skill if a single trash monster can ignore it?

Sigh, I have the feeling my assassin got turbined
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 7:43pm
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Artorias wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
Experimenting a little with my new assassin and using shadow dancer I thought to use Meld into darkness that should work like this


I activate the skill against a MELEE monster (not champion) and still got hit by its attacks. Isn't 100% dodge like a guaranteed dodge? (hence the 100%). Bug or am I missing something?
Hope the bloody clicky jusy doesn't double my actual dodge. If so it's a waste of points.


Wouldn't put it past Turdbine to code it as a +100% to your current dodge.  So if you have 5% it becomes 10%.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 7:47pm
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Isn't that exactly the same thing with reflex, hide, move silently displacement invisibility even the AC, MRR and PRR, at the end of the day its just numbers where the points don't matter.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 12:04am
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Starkjade wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:59pm:
Monsters can bypass dodge like they can bypass fortification.


No, it's not that.

Meld sometimes bugs out.  you hit the ability, it does the flip, and says "like a shadow."   If it doesn't do that, say you don't have enough room to make the backflip, it doesn't work.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:24am
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Seen the back flip but no message displayed and I've tried a couple more times (the third time I actually had no room to back flip). I will try a few more times just to be sure but this is BS. Thanks for the info by the way  Smiley

ETA on fixing Meld into Darkness: Never
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:29am
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It's affected by dodge cap. It's completely useless: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/381212-Compilation-of-ED-Bugs
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 6:59am
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totally wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:29am:
It's affected by dodge cap. It's completely useless: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/381212-Compilation-of-ED-Bugs


Much appreciated  Smiley

Looks like I have a few more points to invest in shadow dancer
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 8:10am
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Shuy wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 1:52pm:
No. Its 100% regardless of your max dodge.


totally wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:29am:
It's affected by dodge cap. It's completely useless: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/381212-Compilation-of-ED-Bugs


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Reply #12 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 10:08am
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totally wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:29am:
It's affected by dodge cap. It's completely useless: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/381212-Compilation-of-ED-Bugs


Is that list being maintained?  It still lists a bug on Master's Blitz by MaddMatt70 from 2012.  Before they changed Blitz.

  
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Reply #13 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:46am
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dodge cap is completely unrelated. you get 100% dodge bonus by all means.
as a side note, if you are hit by emeny while backflip, meld into darkness is considered to be activation failure
and the effect disappears immediately.

thus slightly difficult to activate MiD in mixed fight.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:49am
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Asheras wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 10:08am:
Is that list being maintained?  It still lists a bug on Master's Blitz by MaddMatt70 from 2012.  Before they changed Blitz.


Probly not. That one is still correct, though I get what people are saying in terms of the wording. I guess in terms of its wording it's not a bug at all, as if you had -75% dodge somehow, presumably, yes you would still get 25% dodge. But it's dumb as shit that it doesn't raise the dodge cap to 100% as well.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 12:11pm
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totally wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:49am:
Probly not. That one is still correct, though I get what people are saying in terms of the wording. I guess in terms of its wording it's not a bug at all, as if you had -75% dodge somehow, presumably, yes you would still get 25% dodge. But it's dumb as shit that it doesn't raise the dodge cap to 100% as well.


I agree with you that if you are offering a dodge 100% feature, then the dodge cap needs to go up with it.  Since nobody has a dodge cap of 100% any other way.  Otherwise, they description should be - "increases dodge%  to whatever your dodge cap is currently for 9/12/15 seconds".
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 3:35pm
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Uncanny Dodge active bypasses dodge cap (on my character sheet, anyway) so the programming is there.
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:00pm
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Starkjade wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 3:35pm:
Uncanny Dodge active bypasses dodge cap (on my character sheet, anyway) so the programming is there.


But, Turbine...
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:07pm
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totally wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:29am:
It's affected by dodge cap. It's completely useless: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/381212-Compilation-of-ED-Bugs


Wrong.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:18pm
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I gotta say that when I use uncanny dodge (pretty much every time in a fight with multiple opponents or a strong one) the actual dodge goes up

When I use(d) Meld into Darkness I didn't notice any benefit whatsoever so I assume there can only be two possible explanations:

- the dodge is restricted by your current cap and, therefore, it's useless for a toon that relies on dodge since it's probably capped anyway. I know it's says 100% but it must be a bug.

- the skill actually doubles your dodge value and it's useless anyway (at least for the cooldown it has).

I already re skilled the ED and invested the points elsewhere. I don't care if this skill is WAI or not.
The benefit is absent or so small that it actually doesn't make a difference
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Reply #20 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:10am
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no. wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 8:10am:
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Reply #21 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:20am
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Bigjunk wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 4:07pm:
Wrong.


Helpful. It's also listed as being wrong here: Meld Into Darkness, active: +100% for 6 seconds, does currently not exceed the dodge cap (bugged). (Shadowdancer). Is this wrong too?
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:56am
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totally wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:20am:


yes.
  
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