Sev_Pay posted Quote:


How funny is this guy?

The truly egregious lies are in bold.

Now he only hopped in and made this post after the "what the fuck is going on with Manyshot" posts started gaining momentum on the AA thread from yesterday.  People were smelling bullshit with the nature of Vag's post and were pointing out how useless a half pass and no resolution of Manyshot would be.

The breathtakingn line of bullshit is the one about fewer missles for the client and server, he seriously just pulled that out of his ass this week. A couple of PC members passed that little tidbitty on to me this morning (thanks guys!). As per usual when he gets pinned in Sev changes the equation by injecting pure unverifiable bullshit into the equation. Think of it as a the most recent incarnation of  "our data", or "our testing", or "our polling", Or any of the many other terms he has used in the past.

They have no solid idea of what to do with Manyshot, and they have a deep hatred of it. Additionally Sev_Pay want's everything to be the same, hence why he is put on the spot his go to move was to propose changing a unique ability (manyshot) into just more of the same (doubleshot) which was his baby.   

As we all know from past experience now that he has been pushed to show his hand (and in the case ignorance and inability to resolve manyshot) he will not change course at all because he made the statements publicly.

So he fell back on his favorite move, when you complain about something his answer is to punish people for complaining, by making what they are complaining about even weaker.

Any one thinking about pushing certain agendas with Sev and Vag in the next few weeks (you know who you are!  ) should take a real good look at this process. Do you really want to try and force Sev to do something? when chances are that when he is embarrassed or you successfully box him or Vag in their response will be to nerf what you are trying to help because it's easier and it serves as a warning?

Just something to think about. Remember, that just because Sev and Vag are incompetent and lazy doesn't mean they can't do lots of damage.

RemRemi wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:05am:


Meh.  Your personal opinions about Sev Pay and Vag aren't interesting.  You don't like them.  We get it. 

What's more interesting and important are the proposed changes to ManyShot.  What they needed to do was lower the DPS of ManyShot itself and remove the doubleshot penalty such that the overall result was more sustained ranged DPS during a 120 second interval of using ManyShot and its cool down.  Did they accomplish the goal?

When did we start calling him sev_pay? I'm not complaining but this is new.

Asheras wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:21am:


No. No. And no.

And why pray tell did they "need to lower the dps of manyshot"? please explain in detail and take in to consideration the current state of play.

Asheras wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:


Nice post, but you still don't explain why Manyshot "had" to be lowered. So it's big dps, so what? so is a ton of other moves in the game, why does something that gives top end dps for twenty seconds have to be lowered?

Wasn't breaking the game in the past because there is always a top dog of damage, and it certainly isn't breaking it these days compared to the dps all the pass classes can do.

kum-gulp wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

I lurked b4.

RemRemi wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:


Had to be lowered is probably not the right words to use.  Had to be changed is.  I don't like the feast/famine aspect of bow use.  It makes bows temporary use weapons.  So that means bringing the DPS up when Manyshot isn't in effect.

Currently, a bow user will do 44% of their damage in 16% of the time if they use a bow for 120 seconds with manyshot if they have no doubleshot.  They do 56% of their damage the other 84% of that time.

With 25% doubleshot, they are doing 41% in 16% of the time.  With 50% doubleshot it is 38%. 

That's way too much.  Now, just getting rid of the doubleshot penalty will help that, but it will also increase the number of arrow attacks that need to be handled by the game.  That seems to be a concern for them.  So a solution that decreases the number of arrows overall, removes the doubleshot penalty, and increases overall damage by bows seems to be the goal.  Hence the lowering of the rate of fire and the adding of the RP.  The only problem is that they didn't balance it well enough.  They lowered the rate of fire too much and didn't add enough RP back in.

So they need to either allow doubleshot to exceed 100% when manyshot is on, change the RP number in manyshot, or mess with the duration of manyshot and/or the cooldown. 

I redid my calcs with doubleshot not being capped at 100%, but exceeding it when Manyshot gives the 100% boost.  That would still lower the number of arrows over 120 seconds by 5-33% (depending on your base doubleshot) and yield a DPS boost of 5-23% (Again, depending on your doubleshot and RP stats).

That is the kind of solution we need.  One that improves game performance and character performance simultaneously without being over powered.

Asheras wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

Manyshot itself? No. Some synergies available with manyshot, sure.

kum-gulp wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:


Technomage wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Manyshot is not overpowered.  Manyshot + Pin(non rednamed / boss) + sniper shot (to add sneak attack damage0 + adrenaline + Arrow of slaying is.  There should be no way to deliver up to 100k+ damage with one shot.  I loved playing ranger and have since launch, but even I know when something is game breaking despite it being in our favor.  With the increase of dps from DWS, I have seen my damage numbers go from 22K max previously to close to 30k (max per hit) using that attack routine.  Just the first number.  Now, if they introduce the +1 crit multiplier, I think you will easily see 30k+ damage per shot... then multiply by 4 and you can now one shot some raid bosses.

Tempest Spine!

RemRemi wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:


Nah.  Actually, I ran the numbers.  It would be a very good change.  Would result in significantly more DPS than current Manyshot.  But you wouldn't know that because you are the lazy one.  Just making weak insults about topics on which you are woefully ignorant.

RemRemi wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:


I never said my numbers were known.  Not even sure how that is relevant.  Just not seeing how you are forming your opinion on the manyshot change to allow doubleshot to exceed 100%.  Only two choices: A) running some numbers or B) pulling some bullshit out your ass.

I'm option A: the person who is taking the time to make an informed opinion.  You are B: the guy talking out his ass.  Rather than providing any basis for your opinion, all you counter with is weak insults.  Which suggests you really don't know what you are talking about and just trying to deflect this into a typical internet flame war to hide that fact.