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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Necro 4 buffed up? Oct 11^th, 2015 at 3:42pm	Print Post
	Did any1 try necro for these days? The humans are doing normal damage but the undead and some of the golems are just hitting like trucks. i'm ok making this shit game harder but i would like some more of xp in exchange.....
	« Last Edit: Oct 11^th, 2015 at 4:29pm by ILoveExploits »
	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Doggydaddy Titan Demolisher Offline Pull my Finger...... Posts: 324 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2014	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #1 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	Stop wearing Cleevon Kleins exclusive 'Bacon & Donut' cologne while questing? ILoveExploits wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 3:42pm: Did any1 try necro for these days? The humans are doing normal damage but the undead and some of the golems are just hitting like trucks. i'm ok making this shit game harder but i would like some more of xp in exchange.....


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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #2 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:53am	Print Post
	This was on the motherboards last Monday. TL;DR, yes, they've been fiddling with shit they don't understand again.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #3 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 7:46am	Print Post
	totally wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:53am: they've been fiddling with shit they don't understand again. Redundant. This is true whenever they work.

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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #4 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 9:27am	Print Post
	totally wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:53am: This was on the motherboards last Monday. TL;DR, yes, they've been fiddling with shit they don't understand again. I see now. I don't know wich is worst, when they don't fix shit or when they try just to make it worst....

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #5 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 10:06am	Print Post
	I posted about this back when U28 dropped. GoP on EE was a bloodbath. Everyone in the party died 5-6 times. They definitely upped the mob damage in there. champions were hitting for 1100.


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #6 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 10:06am: I posted about this back when U28 dropped.� GoP on EE was a bloodbath.� Everyone in the party died 5-6 times.� They definitely upped the mob damage in there.� champions were hitting for 1100. Solution A: Tanks become a thing again. (lol) Solution B: Lots of PRR, self heals, and res scrolls Solution C: MOAR KITING Solution D: Don't run Necro IV. New stuff will be better soon. Solution E: Just wait. They'll break it or nerf it soon enough. Least likely outcome: Solution A.

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FranOhmsford Dragon Raider Offline Rule Britannia Posts: 249 Location: Cannock Chase Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #7 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:01pm: Solution A: Tanks become a thing again. (lol) Solution B: Lots of PRR, self heals, and res scrolls Solution C: MOAR KITING Solution D: Don't run Necro IV. New stuff will be better soon. Solution E: Just wait. They'll break it or nerf it soon enough. Least likely outcome: Solution A. Does Solution E account for the two more Levels that are going to be added to the game? Because Epic Elite Orchard isn't meant for Lvl 28 Characters anyway...It's meant for Lvl 30 Characters! The fact that many players have been able to run it on EE at Lvl 28 {Indeed at Lvl 20!} is perhaps the single main reason why there's been so many complaints about the game being too easy. So don't complain about it being too hard now - Wait for the Lvl Cap increase and see how it feels when you've got a fully maxed out Lvl 30 Character!

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Rage Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love boobies Posts: 175 Joined: Jun 23^rd, 2014	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #8 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	I kinda like the bring a tank a long idea... hides in corner


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #9 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	Meat-Head wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:01pm: Solution A: Tanks become a thing again. (lol) Solution B: Lots of PRR, self heals, and res scrolls Solution C: MOAR KITING Solution D: Don't run Necro IV. New stuff will be better soon. Solution E: Just wait. They'll break it or nerf it soon enough. Least likely outcome: Solution A. A isn't that uncommon. The rise of Pallys in DPS has created natural tanks. You can be a decent tank without having to sacrifice DPS. B this isn't enough. When they are hitting for 500 (non-crit) after PRR on a toon with 100-150 PRR and champs are hitting for twice that (non-crit) (and they can bypass enough fort to get crits on toons with 130-160% fort), only tanks and the traditional self healers (divines, pale masters, and robot casters) can stand up to more than two hits. And the cool down on cocoon isn't short enough. C should be changed to MOAR tactics. Stop aggro-ing more mobs than necessary. Actually use some crowd control. Concentrate damage on the same mob to eliminate them more quickly. Maybe talk to your party members about how to approach a fight. Novel concepts, all of them. This is actually what we did in the GoP run. 80% of the deaths came in the before the brothers died. After that we stopped trying to steamroll it and started to actually play with focus. D Honestly, Necro IV is the content least necessary to run on EE, unless you want the mythic versions of gear or 1 time for favor/bravery bonus. I suspect folks with either only run it once per life or just pause their streak and EH it. E - Can't argue with that.


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higgildypiggildy Stormreaver Piker Offline I just mock the world Posts: 661 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2011	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #10 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	FranOhmsford wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 1:10pm: Because Epic Elite Orchard isn't meant for Lvl 28 Characters anyway...It's meant for Lvl 30 Characters! what a stupid thing to say. there are no lvl. 30 characters. And there weren't when EOrchard was released months ago.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #11 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	It's great that they're making quests harder, but they need to do this in a transparent and systematic way. What they're doing now is just hit or miss. Also, what happened to reaper difficulty?


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #12 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 3:30pm: It's great that they're making quests harder, but they need to do this in a transparent and systematic way.� What they're doing now is just hit or miss.� Also, what happened to reaper difficulty? Agree. And since we're so used to NOT having to play in a coordinated manner, the transition will be rough.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #13 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	What's with the horror stories ? Haven't done Necro for a while ( why would you, tomes don't drop, xp sucks, loot you had for a year ) went to try oh so terrible changes. Lol still easy solo Flesh and Vol on pally and my caster fvs, monkcher is in heroics, but don't see any change except being more careful. Ddo must have the most whiny playerbase ever. Still probably the only mmorpg in the galaxy where THE HIGHEST difficulty is default. And "endgame" quests take 20 mins on the first try.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #14 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:11pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm: What's with the horror stories ? Haven't done Necro for a while ( why would you, tomes don't drop, xp sucks, loot you had for a year ) went to try oh so terrible changes. Lol still easy solo Flesh and Vol on pally and my caster fvs, monkcher is in heroics, but don't see any change except being more careful. Ddo must have the most whiny playerbase ever. Still probably the only mmorpg in the galaxy where THE HIGHEST difficulty is default. And "endgame" quests take 20 mins on the first try. Try to solo GoP on EE and then come back to us.

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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #15 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm: What's with the horror stories ? Haven't done Necro for a while ( why would you, tomes don't drop, xp sucks, loot you had for a year ) went to try oh so terrible changes. Lol still easy solo Flesh and Vol on pally and my caster fvs, monkcher is in heroics, but don't see any change except being more careful. Ddo must have the most whiny playerbase ever. Still probably the only mmorpg in the galaxy where THE HIGHEST difficulty is default. And "endgame" quests take 20 mins on the first try. Who fucking care about heroics you moron?

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #16 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm: What's with the horror stories ? Haven't done Necro for a while ( why would you, tomes don't drop, xp sucks, loot you had for a year ) went to try oh so terrible changes. Lol still easy solo Flesh and Vol on pally and my caster fvs, monkcher is in heroics, but don't see any change except being more careful. Ddo must have the most whiny playerbase ever. Still probably the only mmorpg in the galaxy where THE HIGHEST difficulty is default. And "endgame" quests take 20 mins on the first try. Heroics? This thread is about EE. Also, nobody is talking about soloing. http://ddowiki.com/page/Dungeon_scaling


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Lemming Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 122 Joined: Mar 15^th, 2014	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #17 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:42pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:40pm: Heroics? This thread is about EE.� Also, nobody is talking about soloing.� http://ddowiki.com/page/Dungeon_scaling Maybe read it again.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #18 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Lemming wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:42pm: Maybe read it again. I have. Elite is affected less than Casual/Norm/Hard. That doesn't mean dungeon scaling doesn't exist in EE. Raids are the only content not affected by scaling. As others have said: Try it (an actual EE run in a group) and see if it is different than before. Also, if you haven't run it in over a year, then maybe you don't have a good frame of reference. Also, nobody said it was unable to be completed. Just that the damage the mobs are doing is ramped up significantly.


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #19 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 5:01pm: Also, nobody said it was unable to be completed.� Just that the damage the mobs are doing is ramped up significantly.� This, we did complete the chain with a few deaths not a big deal. The problems are trash mobs 1 shotting ppl and not raising the fucking drop rate or xp for this shit. Not everybody play just fucking shurishits or warlocks.

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #20 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	ILoveExploits wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 5:37pm: Not everybody play just fucking shurishits or warlocks. As I was having a fairly rough time in Necro4 recently on my (I thought) reasonably powerful Pal, I thought back to my poor Monks and others and how much of a harder time they'd have in there. It feels more out of whack now than before they started these passes. The spike at some boss fights is stupid if you get a couple of champion adds. Piss-poor player experience design.


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #21 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	Yes. The mobs in Necro got amped up in the last update.


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #22 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:39am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm: What's with the horror stories ? Haven't done Necro for a while ( why would you, tomes don't drop, xp sucks, loot you had for a year ) went to try oh so terrible changes. Lol still easy solo Flesh and Vol on pally and my caster fvs, monkcher is in heroics, but don't see any change except being more careful. Ddo must have the most whiny playerbase ever. Still probably the only mmorpg in the galaxy where THE HIGHEST difficulty is default. And "endgame" quests take 20 mins on the first try. As usual. You come here to post some shit before crawling back into your hole. Fucking retard.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #23 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	Sorry for Engrish fail guys. What I meant is it was still easy for capped pally and fvs. I would try the changes on monkcher but the character is still in heroics. Overall monkcher feels bit weaker than pally especially prr wise but ranged makes up for that - so I don't see the quests being a problem on ranged toon either. I'd expect at least on Vault that people would have EE in mind when they talk difficulties, solos or builds.


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Necro 4 buffed up? Reply #24 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Von is a joke even on EE for any build. i would love to see it a bit harder but i don't even dare to ask something like that because the monkeys don't know their own fucking game. Thats the problem you can't expect anything good coming for those stupid guys. And why the heck they don't do those changes in the "test" server so the sadists can have fun while the rest of us can actually play the game?

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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